Risks of Astral Samadhi
On June 2, 2022, a yogi who was in an astral samadhi state awakened. He was radiant with smiles but had no sensual perception except for subtle sound, sound made by the subtle body. This person was in samadhi for over two hundred years, since he lost his last physical body and assumed a subjective consciousness state.
In such a state, it is like one is in a state of nothingness where one has no idea of one’s whereabout and have no sense of individuality. I was at a seat which was used by Babaji but which he told me to assume for the purpose of helping yogis who could reach that place. Babaji is not longer staying there. Hence if anyone goes there, if that person qualified, he/she will see me sitting there and can inquire about spiritual practice and related matters.
When this yogi saw me there, he was happy but he recognized that I was not Babaji. He looked at a scarf which Babaji put across my shoulder before as an insignia through which yogis who needed advice would trust me.
I did bhastrika near the place where this yogi was in an astral trance stage for about nine or so months. During that time, this yogi existed in a place which had a dark grey, dark brown energy. He was sunk into that energy where his subtle body had no definite format.
Since this yogi could use his hearing sense, I questioned him mentally about the practice he did and what happened once he entered the samadhi so long ago. He did not answer because he could not recall anything about his former practice. He entered a samadhi with no objectivity, which for all practical purposes, is a jada or stupor samadhi.
If one practices meditation hereafter, that is good but there is a risk that one may enter a stupor samadhi and with that there is no telling when or where one would manifest once the trance state expires.
All control is lost when one enters a stupor samadhi. It should not be assumed that if one enters samadhi one will be enlightened or will be liberated. That may or may not be the case.
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All memory is gone or erased to an extent that he can't recall in jada samadhi for so long.
Is that an advantage or disadvantage ?
Some advantages, I see is: his immediate attachments and cravings are erased but they can come back in different dimensions.
But what are the disadvantages?
Michael Beloved , please answer this!
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Jada means dumb. As a samadhi or transcendence state, it is stupor trance, a condition in which one is stunned while the physical and/or subtle body immobilized. It is a condition. As for the disadvantages, consider first the disadvantages for a normal loop from a dying physical body to waking up with no idea of one’s past as an embryo.
How would the disadvantages be described in that sequence of events.
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Thanks for the beautiful explaination
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These yogis are fortunate that they were assisted in regaining objectivity. As you’ve implied before, who knows what their situation would be if babaji hadn’t showed interest in safeguarding them. Posts like these are a grave reminder of the importance of remaining objective whilst we practice meditation. My understanding is that naad serves as an anchor in objectivity. Hence the pressing need to develop and maintain a relationship by focusing and linking with naad day after day during meditation.
I’ve read many notations of Madhva in the Yoga Invision series of him detailing the love affair between himself and naad. The ups and downs of their relationship, the rejections and the quality of his meditation when they were on good terms. I enjoyed these since they were funny but also enlightening of the importance of maintaining a relationship with naad.
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From LinkedIn
Were you able to help this Yogi? I was once In a similar situation: a state, induced by a small amount of a natural drug, administered by a South American Shaman. There was the usual throwing-up, and then a Samadhi-like trance in which there was no association with anything objective. It was very uncomfortable, took me a day of bed rest to get over the sick feeling.Later on, I mentioned to the Shaman that I couldn't understand why people would go through all the sickness for just a "drug" experience.I felt that I could induce a nice Nirvikalpa Samadhi for myself, without illness, and come from it in great shape, with a marvelous attitude.The Shaman simply said, "These 'practitioners' do not have your experience but are seeking 'out of body' sensations."Your description of the hapless Yogi above, brought back my own memory of seeking some form of "grounding" while under the influence.Always enjoy reading your material. Namaskaram, Nirguna
Mi~Beloved Reply:
This yogi could not be helped immediately because his subtle body moved to the southeast from where I was situated, where he was in samadhi for that long period. There was a force which caused his body to move in that direction and it was because before he went into samadhi so long ago, he was in association with some other ascetics who went to higher regions. His subtle body tried to go to their place because it sensed the direction in which they travelled when he was aware before and practiced austerities with them.
This like when a person who is intoxicated, falls down on a city street because of exhaustion. Then he cannot rise from there due to lack of energy. He falls asleep and then some hours later, he awakens but he does not recall how he assumed a condition of lying on a dirty street. But then by an instinct, he goes confidently in a certain direction as if he knows what he is doing, while in fact, no one whom he knows will be found in that direction.
However, later he will return. Then he can be advised but the main advice will be regarding where and when he should take another embryo. In that new birth, he will be attracted to yoga practice again and with some subtle guidance and some physical help, he will make the effort again.
In considering your experience with the natural drug, yes, it is perplexing that nature designed this situation so that it is not easy for someone to enter higher states and see or perceive higher dimensions. But we find that through natural and synthetic substances someone may have transcendence experiences. But that may carry with it negative side effects both physically and psychically.
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Madhva Wrote: “However, later he will return. Then he can be advised but the main advice will be regarding where and when he should take another embryo. In that new birth, he will be attracted to yoga practice again and with some subtle guidance and some physical help, he will make the effort again.”
Inquiry: Why is it necessary for this yogi to take rebirth, rather than to learn the breath infusion and ascend?
Since he practiced in association with the other ascetics who went to higher regions. Shouldn’t his subtle body be habituated to the same practice he did prior? And thus qualify him to go higher in time?
As you also mentioned above, his subtle body tried to go in their direction. So it is also interesting that their association wouldn’t be an impetus to go higher.
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The yogis he was with before went to other dimensions, one by one, according to their particular destinies. They are no longer in a group. As circumstances change in the physical existence, they do too in the astral one in many of the astral locations. If I return to where my body spent childhood, it is unlikely that I will find the friends I had there at that stage of its life.
Those yogis whom he knew progressed and he did not even though he remained frozen in a stupor samadhi state. He did not develop further and in fact he regressed. Because of the condition of his subtle body now, he will have to assume an embryo to get the subtle body to reconfigure itself. But this is a nature process and it not something that is based on reason or common sense.
Taking an embryo is not a matter of making a decision to do so. It is based more on the condition of that particular self and how nature responds to it. Even though I was there and could train him in breath infusion, he did not request that and had no interest in me or in that training. The question is: Why?
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This cleared up some confusion, thanks for clarifying.
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