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Yogi / Woman in Astral Night (Mar 24, 2012)

Here is how I would rephrase the inquiry about Amy Winehouse (additions in bold):

 

As for the association with Amy Winehouse, I just can't help but inquire (as to her past lives and what her background was before she became the embryo which we identified as her). Although I enjoyed her singing very much, (her energy in this lifetime) literally stinks. Really bad.

 

It’s hard to imagine (her past lives because of being preoccupied with what I know about her present persona) why a high level yogi would have anything to do with associating with a person who is in a junkie (demoniac) state of existence (in this life time)(at least at this point in her existential career.) 

 

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Special Comment:

 

There is something from the life of Jesus Christ which bears some significance which is that when people questioned his being with low class humans and not with the morally-upright messed ones, he said that his mission was to bring sinners to repentance not to save people who had their heads screwed on perfectly. It was a sarcasm of Christ of course but it still causes one to stop and think when in doubt about who should get the association of whom.

 

There is also the story from the bible about the prodigal son, who was the eldest son of a nobleman, and who went to the dumps. Then when he came back to his father’s territory, he was greeted by the father with open arms and was given the best of what his father had to offer, but another son who was always faithful to the family and who did not go on the bad side was offended by the father’s greetings to this rejected sibling.

 

I have over the years tried to explain that bad people end up in good ways and sometimes good people end up in bad ways, that a person who is good in one life may be bad in another. It is hard to imagine that because as Christ also said that a tree can only produce its native fruits and no other produce. A lemon tree cannot produce sugary fruits and vice versa. However in spiritual matters potentials often show contrary features, so that a lemon tree may at one time produce sugary fruits.

 

What is happening is that we cannot see the potentials and we are hell-bent and our over-confident about our perception. Instead of questing why we do not have the perception to see past lives, we use our interest to find the logic or the lack of it in the current circumstances.

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    • Regarding this:

       

      I won't comment on the tendency shown here of males zoning in on the female pubic region. 

      I’m sure now that there is no man alive that would not do this, the attraction to the genitals is obviously interdimensional! 

      Too bad!

       

      Here is more information:

       

      Astral places and various astral body levels function in their own way regardless of if one is a yogi or not. The idea that a yogi can control every bit of his life is a fool’s concept only. It betrays a lack of understanding of how this existence really operates.

       

      In the present physical body, which human being can say that he or she created the various states of the body, like the stage of sexual maturity after puberty, like the stage of beginning grey hair? If one has the idea that a yogi has such absolute control over his own body or over the environment the body is in or of the way the senses in a particular body operates, then it means that one is making assumptions which nature will not support.

       

      The other thing to consider is that the astral body as we have it right now is primarily concerned with physical world access or being position to be part of physical history. For that it needs bodies and to get bodies it has to be centered on the female reproductive organ, because that is the birth location and the only birth location it can emerge physically from. It is not just males who have the obsession. All human beings have the obsession. Some are aware that they have it and some are just not conscious of it. Other avoid facing up to it or deny it outright.

       

      The astral body is concerned with access for rebirth and so that is its obsession. The only way to remove that obsession from it is to alter it mystically so that it does not have that interest. And this is near impossible to do.

       

      The arrival at various astral places is not always controlled by the yogi and the reason is that in the astral body there are karmas or consequential energies from past lives, which must operate that body from time to time depending on the time and place, astral time and place.

       

      There is also ancestral control of the astral body by others besides the person using the body. That person, yogi or otherwise, cannot in every case bar the ancestral influence because it does have right to use the body.

       

      There is also psychic impositions which manifest both in the physical existence and especially in the astral one. All of these factors must be considered, otherwise if they are not regarded the conclusions will be off.

      • We should continue seeing a baby in a new body as a continuation of who they were in the immediate past life, if that baby begins the new life acting in a way which shows that its behavior in the new life is a continuation of that immediate past life. The most common actions usually are for newborn children to continue from the immediately past life but this is not always so because nature may cause shifts whereby a person takes a new body and acts as the continuation of some other previous life of the same person or even act in a way which was none of the past lives of that person, and acts under totally new influences.

         

        Energies are for the most part, consistent from one body to the next, but sometimes during a lifespan a person suddenly changes away from what they were doing, from their behaviors which we term as normal. For instance with the recent spate of killings all over the US by gunmen at schools, and elsewhere, some of the alleged killers, did not exhibit these behaviors to the people who knew them intimately. Some influence expressed itself in the lives of those people and caused the change causing some other memory or instinct, to suddenly burst out of the subconscious into his conscious mind and begin operating the body to the contrary of what was normal for the said people.

         

        A similar thing may happen to a yogi, where he (or she) may take birth without access to his memory of yoga practice before. He will then in the beginning of the life act as the agreeable child of the new parents. But then some years down the road, that same agreeable child might become disagreeable, and may resist the said parents when the memory package from the past life arises in the mind and this child becomes disinclined from materialistic ambitions. We can just imagine how shocking and upsetting this would be to the parents involved. People will; then say, He changed, maybe he is on drugs, maybe he is in a gang, maybe he should be exorcized or deprogrammed.

         

        There is a verse in the Bhagavad Gita which supports this kind of sudden change in the new life of a person who was a yogi in the past life but who in the beginning of the current life did not interest in yoga, and who suddenly becomes motivated for it with no rhyme or reason as the cause of the interest.

         

        पूर्वाभ्यासेन तेनैव
        ह्रियते ह्यवशोऽपि सः ।
        जिज्ञासुरपि योगस्य
        शब्दब्रह्मातिवर्तते ॥६.४४॥
         
        pūrvābhyāsena tenaiva
        hriyate hyavaśo'pi saḥ
        jijñāsurapi yogasya
        śabdabrahmātivartate (6.44)

         

        pūrvābhyāsena = pūrva — previous + abhyāsena — by practice; tenaiva = tena — by it + eva — indeed; hriyate — he is motivated; hy (hi) — indeed; avaśo = avaśaḥ — without conscious desire; 'pi = api — even; saḥ — he; jijñāsuḥ — persistently inquiring; api — even; yogasya — of yoga; śabdabrahmātivartate = śabda – spoken description + brahma — spiritual reality + ativartate — instinctively sees beyond (śabdabrahma – Vedas)

         

        Indeed, by previous practice, he is motivated, even without conscious desire. He who persistently inquires of yoga, instinctively sees beyond the Veda, the spoken description of the spiritual reality. (Bhagavad Gita 6.44)

         

         

        Another thing which may happen is that as yogi might suddenly meet someone whose presence in his or her life could cause drastic changes for the better or worse. That is like when a planet was peacefully orbiting around a sun for millions of years and then sudden a comet appears out of nowhere and smashes into it.

         

        Where did it come from?

         

        Who caused it to be there?

         

        These things are inconceivable in a way.

         

        I know in my life there were times when I met someone somewhere whom I had relationship with in some way or the other in a past life, and then I could or could not avoid the energy-influence from that encounter. There might be abrupt influences coming into a person’s life which either ruins it or causes more good luck as the case may be.

         

        The person in question, Winehouse, did continue from the immediate past life when she was in the upper class in the UK and got recognition and admiration from people but when she took the new body from non-upper class parents, she was deprived of that recognition and went overboard because of not being able to get it except by musical performances which led to her development of suicidal habits. In this way we can see an example of how a good life in one lifetime, could become our undoing in the next life time if we are not afforded such a good life again, and how people would not recognize our higher social status from the past life because its format was no longer supported by fate.

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