Siddhas and Siddhis
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 4 years before Jun 10, 2018
MiBeloved 4 years ago
(7/18/2013)
The question came up in an astral conversation last night, as to why a siddha would be with a woman and why also conversely an accomplished yogini would be with a male partner? If sexual intercourse is the bane of yoga, then why would any of the perfected or near-perfected entities who are masters and mistresses of yoga, be sexually connected or related with anyone else?
First of all a siddha is a perfected male yogi. A siddhi is a perfected female yogi.
Much of what happens to anyone has to do with fate. Fate is a serious aspect and it can demolish anyone’s yoga practice. There are many stories in the Puranas of yogis who reached near perfection and who were intercepted by fate, which caused their salvation to be forestalled, or so it seems to those who hear of these stories after the fact.
Vishwamitra gave up his position as king after he was defeated by a mere cow whom he wanted to put in the service of the state. Just as we exploit the earth and the governments tax us accordingly, so Vishvamitra wanted to exploit a magical cow for the benefit of the country. We mine mineral or extract crude petroleum for human consumption. Vishvamitra thought it was a good idea to get unlimited supplies of money for himself and country.
The cow did not like the idea. It resisted. There was some tugging and pulling as human beings usually do with domestic animals. There were threats and Vishvamitra considered arresting or killing Vashishtha, the yogi who owned the cow.
In response the cow urinated, farted and pooped as animals which are scared sometimes do. Then out of that waste warriors appeared and destroyed Vishvamitra’s army.
After this Vishvamitra considered that a yogi acquires special supernatural powers which over-ride any other proficiency. He became determined to be a yogi.
On the way to siddha perfection, Vishvamitra was targeted by the Indra supervisor of certain astral paradise worlds. There was an angelic woman by the name of Menaka (Main-kaa or Mai-nuh-kaa). Indra instructed her to seduce Vishvamitra. At the time Vishvamitra did not have sufficient insight to see into the ruse. When Menaka showed up, Vishvamitra was out of his wits about her even though she was aware of her mission.
They had a daughter, a very attractive girl named Shakuntala.
It took some time for Vishvamitra to realize that his trysts with Menaka were preplanned by the Indra devata supernatural being. It was not the yogi’s original idea. It popped into his mind while he as under an influence.
But suppose Vishvamitra had the insight to see the motive of Menaka when she first arrived? Would that insight prevail to stop him from accepting the woman?
A man saw an approaching train and yet it killed him. What will be the statement of inquest?
Would it state that he saw the train and it was too late for him to jump out of its way?
Or
Would it state that he saw the train and had sufficient time to get out of its way?
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So again why would a siddha accept a female companion(s)?
Dean 4 years ago
Michael wrote: Indra instructed her to seduce Vishvamitra. At the time Vishvamitra did not have sufficient insight to see into the ruse. When Menaka showed up, Vishvamitra was out of his wits about her even though she was aware of her mission.
Dean's comment: It seems to me that Indra sent his best assassin so Vishvamitra did not stand a chance... he was helpless even though he was "On the way to siddha perfection"
MiBeloved 4 years ago
Supernatural beings are sensitive to ambitious humans who aspire to take political control in the celestial world. At the time when this happened, Vishwamitra was still in a conquest attitude. The Indra person sensed this. Not wanting any competitors, not wanting to deal with a challenge for dominion from Vishwamitra, Indra took that action to lessen the determination of Vishwamitra.
If Vishwamitra had no motivation for conquest, Indra would not have noticed his austerities and would not have felt threatened by the yogi.
Vishvamitra became a yogi on the basis of a non-yogic motive. This is called a ku-yogi or a badly motivated ascetic. Later Vishwamitra was purged of his motive and actually became a great yogin.
The introduction of Menaka, the sexy woman from the heavenly world, had nothing to do with sex really. It had to do with the fact that Vishvamitra neglected his ancestors while doing yoga austerities. Indra had that avenue to attack him because Vishwamitra was diverting due to envy of Vashishtha power to get money from a wish-fulfilling magical cow.
Sex was superficially related to it. Vishwamitra did not want to take care of family responsibilities after he was defeated by the cow of Vashishtha, therefore his ancestors ganged up against him and caused him to abandon his envious political aspirations which he hoped to attain through yoga austerities which are a misuse of yoga.
The ancestors took help from Indra to bring Vishvamitra to terms by having him beget a daughter, Shakuntala.
There arises the question as to why it had to be a celestially irresistible woman like Menaka. The answer is that Vishwamitra was a powerful living entity, whose determination could not to be thwarted by an ordinary woman, which means that his ancestors already found that out because Vishwamitra had left his queen and concubines aside to do the austerities.
We hear of a similar occurrence in the life of Gautama Buddha, one of our spiritual fathers, where he left aside a harem of beautiful women in the dead of the night and never went back but Buddha’s motive was not conquest of anything but his own susceptibility to trauma.
If you put my ancestors on one side of a scale and you put me on the other side, which side of the scale do you think will be heavier?
If one runs up against the ancestors, then more than likely one will have to pay them upon demand by begetting progeny or by attempting to beget progeny and that is what happened to Vishvamitra.
Menaka could be said to be not just a beautiful irresistible woman but the personification of the rebirth desire energy of Vishvamitra’s ancestors. Poor yogi, he did not have a chance.
Recently in this very life, Sri Babaji instructed me to tell student yogis to just make families early on and then complete their austerities as soon as their children reach adult status. This eases the pressure from the ancestors. Otherwise yogis, who avoid doing this, set for themselves the risk of having to begin families late in the life of their bodies.
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If you know anything about Gautama Buddha you may have heard that when he first returned to Nepal where he was a Prince before to became renounced, the first thing that happened in relation to the family which he left behind is that his son came and demanded the inheritance. This means that family and ancestors expect to be paid off. They do not care about one’s ascetic aspirations.
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Some people claim that they can 'Siddh' the astral entities and yoginies, using some Pooja and mantras (secret methods). After getting the successful siddhi they can get whatever they want according to powers of apsras and yohinies. What is your experience or opinion? -
Those who claim that they can siddh or supernaturally influence astral entities and yoginis, even influence deities like Shiva and Kali, are saying untruthful declarations because if one can influence such persons then why not use that same influence energy to get what one desires directly from nature.
Why not get a mango directly if I have a special power to get that instead of pressuring a deity for that?
It is not truth that Pooja ceremonial rites and chanting of Vedic sounds can influence anyone because at the present time there is no evidence in India, that mantras are making India any better for anyone, even for yogis. Progressively things deteriorated except for the study of computer and technological science where Indians excel at that and either migrate to developed countries and do well financially or remain in India and begin successful companies.
To associate with apsaras heavenly women and the yoginis who still have material bodies or who only have subtle ones, a yogi has to increase his yoga austerities. He does not need to strive for siddhis. If he completes the austerities for self-realization, siddhis will arise as he progresses. He will see or perceive on higher levels as he progresses up and up and up. If there are heavenly people (male or female) in the higher dimensions he shifts into, he may see those beings and can relate to them. There will be no need to bring supernormal powers into the physical level. These abilities should be used in the dimensions where they are natural, not otherwise.
Consider this. A monkey can move quickly on all-fours, using its four limbs. That may be regarded as a siddhi or special ability. A human being can move quickly on two feet. That also may be considered a siddhi. Now what would happen if a human being changes from two feet to using four limbs like a monkey?
The point is that each state is an advantage and it is not sensible to use a particular state when one is in a particular type of environment. Four limbs as a means of transport may not be advantageous if one is on a paved road or clear path, but it would be an asset or siddhi if one was in a dense road-less jungle environment.
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In regards to meeting yoginis or apsaras on the astral planes, and doing so because of developing siddhis. That happens but there is a misunderstanding because first of all one has to reach the plane of existence of those astral beings before one can sense that one has the particular siddhi. This means that it is not the siddhi that is the issue but rather the method used which causes one to shift upwards to that level.
As soon as a yogi shifts upwards he has to deal with the reality on the level to which he shifted. He must deal with all aspects of it including sexual ones and he is responsible for whatever happens.
The method is to hawk about the sexual ones but in many cases that is not the most crucial issue. If the yogi is exposed to a higher dimension or a subtle world where he finds himself to be engaged sexually with angelic women, then the situation should cause an interrogation into what austerities he committed which caused the shift to those places, as well as to why he was put in touch with those beings. This is something to research which would provide valuable insight.
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Those who are thinking of gaining siddhis so as to get favors or awards from supernatural beings are not yogis in the strict sense. These persons are power seekers. The Puranas indicated these as being asuras or people who are ill motivated and who do not act for the welfare of anyone in particular.
Siddhis cannot be avoided but striving for them directly is distracting to a yogi. Those who must do so as part of their evolutionary course, will do so regardless of what anybody says. However those who do not strive for siddhis but who complete yoga austerities as per the Yoga Sutras will develop siddhis regardless of whether these ascetics likes siddhis or not. For these people siddhis are useful in that it allows insight into higher planes of consciousness and helps to pilot the yogi to higher stages.
