Practice Session - 25/06/2012
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Date: Posted 5 years before Jul 30, 2017
Thomer Scheepens 5 years ago
This session didn't go so good, was very hard to do Kapalbhati exhaling and inhaling probably because my left nostril for some reason was more blocked then usual as a result felt having hard time to draw air out and in, couldn't keep that up so much so I went a bit with Bhastrika which made it a bit easier for me.
Previous post where MB explained the case in arousing kundalini http://www.inselfyoga.com/m/forums/topic/Practice-Session-24-06-2012
I can definitely say that my lungs are compressing the air into the bloodstream because I can hold my breath in fairly for a nice amount of time than usually, with Bhastrika even more.
A little bit more than a year ago when Kundalini raised for the first time I did another kind of Breath Infusion which I actually did as a mistake for another practice..
What I did back then was rapid exhaling and inhaling, inhaling as passive, exhaling and inhaling in a very light way, almost like sniffing, not forcefully as you do with Kapalbhati or Bhastrika, I don't think even all the air goes out of the body with the exhaling, but yet it raised my kundalini back then within minutes.
The coming days after that, every time I did that kind of breathing my body quickly heated up, a lot of tremblings/vibrations/electric vibrations and very sometimes I managed to get to the state of having waves of energy surges that come and go with bliss..
From that time I used to try my luck to raise it again but the most closed state I came back by was the whole vibrations in body and feeling liquid energy at my tailbone glowing heating up, not really progressing beyond that point, though 1 or 2 times groin area "exploded" and orgasmic energy feeling went all over my body, but it was way different than the first experience.
Before any kundalini practice I did I used sometimes to try my luck again and just try the breathing, I wasn't devoted to any practice, I always thought back then if my first experience took just few min without any preparation, then why would I have to devote myself into anything if it's that easy? well it isn't unfortunately..
actually yesterday when I went to sleep I did for a few min that kind of breathing, felt a lot of tremblings/tinglings/vibrations, but I feel it's too exhausting to even get past that point, it seems to get me nowhere..
But maybe I should let it in my practice session and give it more tries.. along Breath Infusion
MiBeloved 5 years ago
Thomer Scheepens wrote:
This session didn't go so good, was very hard to do Kapalbhati exhaling and inhaling probably because my left nostril for some reason was more blocked then usual as a result felt having hard time to draw air out and in, couldn't keep that up so much so I went a bit with Bhastrika which made it a bit easier for me.
MiBeloved's Response:
Care should be taken to keep the body from having flu and colds, also allergy. Of course all of these cannot be avoided but as far as possible treat the body in a way which causes the least of these, because these affect practice negatively.
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Thomer Scheepens wrote:
The coming days after that, every time I did that kind of breathing my body quickly heated up, a lot of tremblings/vibrations/electric vibrations and very sometimes I managed to get to the state of having waves of energy surges that come and go with bliss.
MiBeloved's Response:
These are expressions of the aroused kundalini. Keep track of these and of how they are produced but each time, kundalini might be aroused and might spread in a different way.
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Thomer Scheepens wrote:
From that time I used to try my luck to raise it again but the most closed state I came back by was the whole vibrations in body and feeling liquid energy at my tailbone glowing heating up, not really progressing beyond that point, though 1 or 2 times groin area "exploded" and orgasmic energy feeling went all over my body, but it was way different then the first experience.
MiBeloved's Response:
This is also clearly an expression of the aroused kundalini which was motivated by the infused energy.
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Thomer Scheepens wrote:
Before any kundalini practice I did I used sometimes to try my luck again and just try the breathing, I wasn't devoted to any practice, I always thought back then if my first experience took just few min without any preparation, then why would I have to devote myself into anything if it's that easy? well it isn't unfortunately.
MiBeloved's Response:
Those experiences can be repeated but you have to make a careful study of what is happening and then develop power to direct the infused energy down to the base chakra. Once that is mastered you will be able to arouse kundalini in every session.
One other thing is that there are small surges of kundalini. Those are also important and should be recognized. Initially the student is looking for intense experiences which rival sexual orgasm but that is the wrong attitude and a student grows out of it over time.
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Segment from original post by Thomer Scheepens:
What I did back then was rapid exhaling and inhaling, inhaling as passive, exhaling and inhaling in a very light way, almost like sniffing, not forcefully as you do with Kapalbhati or Bhastrika, I don't think even all the air goes out of the body with the exhaling, but yet it raised my kundalini back then within minutes.
Suryananda's reaction:
Surprisingly, I noticed a similar breathing pattern with someone who would attend classes when I used to share the practice in that type of format a couple of years ago. He would so easily collapse and so regularly and predictably, eventually he was advised not to stand up for the rooster. I thought to myself this is ridiculous let me see what else could be going on.
So one day, out of curiosity I mimicked this rather light but particular breathing as compared to serious bellows, and surprisingly it worked! Repeatedly there seemed to be a clear difference, therefore I would use it.
I was practicing with RishiDeva some months later, and during the rooster I was doing that breath pattern; he noticed and impatiently directed me to correct and to breathe more forcefully. Of course, I didn’t even think of following up with him about trying some non-sense, the prescribed methodology is to max out, so why would anyone want to hold out?
Reading Thomer’s experience years later I find it interesting. Still, when one is capable of serious bellows this methodology is a waste of time, a beginner's caprice on some variations in how to arouse the life force just withholding bellows or stopping breath can also cause the same.
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There is such a thing as negative pranayama which is practiced by some ascetic. Duryodhana the villian of the Mahabharata was an expert at it. This is why he was living at the bottom of a lake without air for weeks after he lost the Battle of Kurukshetra.
What I teach has to do with increasing fresh air and reducing used air. The negative pranayama has to do with decreasing fresh air and increasing pollutants. It is a practice but I do not teach it.
Pigs thrive on eating what humans evacuate as food waste, so we cannot say that it is not nourishing. Stool is nourishing but if you are not aiming to get the benefits of eating it as the pigs do, then there is no point in eating it.
