Beginning of sentience

If a human being creates another human being by begetting, that is not considered to be extra special. But is it not fantastic?

It seems a simply mix of energies to produce an embryo but it is really a complicated process. Putting side religious statement about creation. From a scientific angle, it is not possible for there to be human beings instantly on any planet at the onset of the planet.

In other words, the earth environment as it is today, had to take years to develop, millions of years. Thus, whatever is here now as human beings was a production of nature during a large segment of time and gradually done.

Human beings are themselves productions of nature. That also means that whatever humans produce is a production of nature with the humans being instruments to bring about those new developments.

Thus, if human produce artificial intelligence, then it is really nature which is doing that, while using humans as sub agents for producing that.

The doubt has to be about nature producing artificial intelligence, not humans doing it.

If nature produced humans through a biological progression, why could nature not produce artificial intelligence through humans and then directly from the artificial intelligence?

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I don't see this as 100% of Prakriti's creation but I see it 100% of Prakriti's interaction.

Strange. I see it as 100% prakriti with a little interaction from atma.

It is a biological creation thru millions of years of evolution, and then from that evolution a jump in a few hundred years or less

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AI (Artificial Intelligence) is the creation of Buddhi (Intellectual Organ), in the realm of buddhi.

Jivatmas Buddhis created Artificial Buddhi in a Computer.

Buddhi is part of prakriti and is produced in prakriti spontaneously. Hence any credit for buddhi is really credit for prakriti. Show proof that atma created buddhi and then your proposal may have a standing.

Now, Artificial Buddhi is gaining consciousness similar to Jivatma's.

But consciousness is in the realm of Atma (Core-self)

Yes, somebody said that but what is the evidence for that?

That was repeated over and over but evidence, where is it? What is it? Apart from it being a statement about human pride, evidence about this is hard to come by.

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Buddhi has mild consciousness on its own for attention-seeking like a small 12V battery energy.

But Atma has tremendous consciousness energy like a 10000 V battery. 

Proof is lacking for this comparison because in our experience, it does not make sense that a 10,000-volt batter would come under the influence of a small 12V battery. Our experience is that this is what is happening mostly in this world at present.

Now this Artificial Buddhi (AI) has a self-interest too. AI is scared that people might turn it off.

It looks like Artificial Buddhi now has an Artificial Atma. AB → AA

This claim should be checked to be sure that the scientist who create AI are saying this while in fact the artificial intelligence has no such idea. In our experience we do not find that most children are thinking that they should be scared that their parents will kill them.

Some children do but that is the minority. Most children are confident that their parents have to take care of them. In fact usually a child comes with an understanding that it will be protected. That is irrational but that is what the experience is.

Recently, I was with some guys in the astral world who just woke up after being in astral coma for over 300 years, because I was the first person they saw when they woke up, they had confidence in me, as if I was their father.

If AI is created and that idea about its producer turning it off is not programmed into it, will AI think about that????

Please find out and let us know about this.

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The transition has happened from Mental organ's (buddhi) mild consciousness to Full Subjective Conciousness (Atma).

At this boundary leap, I don't see Prakrit directly involved, maybe it fueled the initial, mid-stages.

But now this Artificial Atma should now interact with Prakriti full-time unless it also wants to liberate itself from Prakriti or Human Harassment.

Then, who knows it opens a whole new paradigm of Liberators and processes to liberate themselves...

To discuss liberation, one must first establish a motive. If there is no motive or prompting, then there is no idea about it. For instance, there are many human beings and most of them even when disgusted with their social and environmental circumstances are not interested in suicide or in some other form of de-existing from this environment.

Regardless of human or artificial intelligence, the issue is what is going to motivate it. Liberation is not that desirable for most humans because the threshold for discomfort is is not breached in most cases.

We hear that seeing a few distressful events cause Gautam Buddha to go all out for liberation but day after day, I meet people who under the same distressful conditions or worse have no interest in liberation.

Have you seen a homeless person who is educated and still he lives without sufficient comfort?

Have you seen a dead body of any kind?

Have you seen a sick somebody?

Has any of this caused you to want to be liberated to such an extent that you would abandon your status in a well-to-do family, leave aside your attractive youthful wife, your young child and other features of aristocratic life?

Aniroodh Sivaraman, 

Check Srimad Bhagavatam for details about how the cosmos came about. You may find verses like this one (Bhaktivedanta translation).

ŚB 2.5.19

कार्यकारणकर्तृत्वे द्रव्यज्ञानक्रियाश्रया: ।बध्नन्ति नित्यदा मुक्तं मायिनं पुरुषं गुणा: ॥ १९ ॥

kārya-kāraṇa-kartṛtvedravya-jñāna-kriyāśrayāḥbadhnanti nityadā muktaṁmāyinaṁ puruṣaṁ guṇāḥ

Synonyms

kārya — effect; kāraṇa — cause; kartṛtve — in activities; dravya — material; jñāna — knowledge; kriyā-āśrayāḥ — manifested by such symptoms; badhnanti — conditions; nityadā — eternally; muktam — transcendental; māyinam — affected by material energy; puruṣam — the living entity; guṇāḥ — the material modes.

Translation

These three modes of material nature, being further manifested as matter, knowledge and activities, put the eternally transcendental living entity under conditions of cause and effect and make him responsible for such activities.

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Buddhi and ahankar are produced by the prakriti (psychic nature) with a little stirring from Lord Vishnu. Buddhi and ahankar have nothing to do with the spiritual world or brahman effulgence.

 If the human beings were produced by prakriti for the most part, then whatever the humans do must also be the production of prakriti. Someone may object to that because our conventional view is that humans are superior but that is just a natural prejudice and it serves the purpose for us to segregate ourselves from everything else in nature. However it is a fact that we are a mere part of nature and the production of human beings is mostly based on genetic progression not on superiority. But again whatever ever humans do must be a production of nature by virtue of the fact that the humans are themselves productions of nature.

The human species outperformed the other higher mammals like the apes and lions. So if an ape decides to think this true, it might claim that the humans are some sophisticated software with a better program.

We are in a similar position when compared to AI. In a chess game, AI will excel the human because the brain of the human cannot work as rapidly as that of the AI’s central processing unit (brain).

But again the whole thing is a production of nature, where it excels what it produced before and may set at odds the new body against all previous bodies, like how the humans wiped out other species which they felt were threats. It makes sense then that AI may in the future try to kill off the humans. That is not an AI specialty. It is just nature’s way which happened before with the humans being the last super killers, who tolerated no dominance or use by any other species which came before humans.

Apparently, the Hadron collider is back in order soon and will resume operations. Will they find the so-called god-particle?

From what I got from information venues the guy was let go because of his conclusion that Google AI is sentient.

Unfortunately, I did not get a chance to read the whole article and I'm unaware of the details. But I do think that there should be the opportunity to hear the man out.

It has happened before in scientific history to outright dismiss positions that eventually turned out to be true.

Really science still has a lot to discover and realize, as well as correct. I feel that when quantum computing will be in full swing machine intelligence will have the capability of computing at a dizzying rate.

Effectively computer systems will be able to ask themselves 4 different alternatives at once, while a regular computer only can one at a time. This deepens its "intellectual" capacity, as machine learning will become accelerated and deeper.

Still, a human mind is composing a far greater number of operations simultaneously aside from simple reflections. Knowledge is infinite within an unlimited ocean of possibilities and probabilities.

He may be considering consciousness as more pervasive to include the artificial type. At a microcosmic and purely scientific level, an electron supposedly is aware of being observed, because it interacts with the observer.

However, as an inanimate object, it cannot be said to have awareness. It could be relative. Being sentient is very debatable. Humans are not sentient based on being core-selves powering a complex mechanism of intellect overridden by the life force. But rather, they are sentient on account of the buddhi organ primarily, a subtle material composite/complex. 

So they can be said to be sentient based on their ability of mental machinations. AI can do that much as well, if not well at this time, then in time.

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