The waves of thoughts in the Chitta are called Vritti
Waves of thought but why not stick with Patanjali as the reference from his meanings and not use a Swami of repute unless that Swami also sticks to the context. Waves of thought may be referring to four of the five psychic items listed as vrittis. What about the one terms as sleep. Do you experience that as a wave of thought. Why are we not sticking to Patanjali as the reference and staying with his listing:
वृत्तयः पञ्चतय्यः क्लिष्टा अक्लिष्टाः॥५॥
vṛttayaḥ pañcatayyaḥ kliṣṭā akliṣṭāḥ
vṛttayaḥ – the vibrations in mento-emotional energy; pañcatayyaḥ – fivefold; kliṣṭākliṣṭāḥ = kliṣṭā – agonizing + akliṣṭāḥ – non-troublesome.
The vibrations in the mento-emotional energy are five-fold, being agonizing or non-troublesome. (Yoga Sutras 5.)
They are correct perception, incorrect perception, imagination, sleep and memory. (Yoga Sutras 1.6)
Patanjali also give singular descriptions of these and suggests methodsof dealing with each of these vrittis. Why is it that you do not mention that but instead you mention a Swami. Why not explain Patanjali and then ad that a Swami added this or that, or that a Swami dismissed Patanjali because that person had something more effective?
Raj Kumar DhamMichael Beloved , my reference is to English language only not everyone who's native language is English.People who have done sadhana ( practice) and have studied the Yoga Sutras and have even translated ,they have understood Chitta and What is Yoga , irrespective of their native language or origin .Though I am an Indian my knowledge of Sanskrit is very very limited .
Raj Kumar DhamI have referred to Swami Vivekanand ji only who was a Yogi and has written Commentary on Patanjali Yoga Sutras and also on Raja Yoga . He has explained in detail about the Yoga Sutras ,nothing against Patanjali and I loved Vivekanand ji and his guru Paramhamsa Ramakrishna ji .I have read both of them in English and I was Inspired by them . Don't try to be little them by saying some swamy .If you have not read about them and understood them donot pass some comments casually .Yogini also passed some wrong comments about Swami Vivekanand ji. How can one justify the title " Separation Yoga " .These two words are poles apart ,and have contrary meaning . Do you justify the title " Separation Yoga " ? You always try to pick some words ,words are not that important the concept,the idea ,the philosophy and the context in which they are said .I agree your command on English is good .I referred to English language . Earlier also you took up " surrender "in some other way . Purity of heart is the most important thing for me and this is helping me in learni, understanding and moving forward on the path of truth and spirituality. I love everyone including Yogini and you ,as see the divinity in everyone.
I did not use the term "Separation Yoga." And if there is a question about it, I feel that the question should be: Separation from What?
In relation to "Union Yoga," the inquiry should be: Union with What?
There would be no arguments or disagreements if those two questions were answered. The salt doll is separated from the physical world where it has that form when it is unified with the ocean and loses its individual format. That is how I would use those terms.
Dandavats!
Erinn Earth ~ (devaPriya Yogini)Yoga = Separation from the Vrittis. so that, union with higher energy sources or persons can occur.
It's simple but apparently aggravating to those who misinterpret.
Raj's feelings on Vivekananda's are but an opinion shared by many.
But this still doesn't mean that Vivekanada inspires everyone in the same way. Some of us need more. Some of us are far from satisfied with his insights and conclusions.
I was a long term student of blessed Swami Sivananda who is like a grandfather to me. But I needed more.
It is my opinion that the writer of this post is a more advanced yogi then those being defended here....and I found the evidence by studying his books and LEARNING THE PRACTICE.
A side by side comparison of texts is good for anyone who has questions about comparisons.
I once did a side by side comparison of Michael Beloved's Bhagavad Gita Explained and Swami Bhaktivedanta's Gita. What I discovered in the differences in their translations and missionary influence was stunning.
Michael Beloved How is that?
What is the basis of such a statement?
Is chitta native to all the atmas (animals and other lifeforms included) in the creations or not?
Or is it only resident in Indian body people?
Michael Beloved You listed vritti as being:
The waves of thoughts in the Chitta are called Vritti
Waves of thought but why not stick with Patanjali as the reference from his meanings and not use a Swami of repute unless that Swami also sticks to the context. Waves of thought may be referring to four of the five psychic items listed as vrittis. What about the one terms as sleep. Do you experience that as a wave of thought. Why are we not sticking to Patanjali as the reference and staying with his listing:
वृत्तयः पञ्चतय्यः क्लिष्टा अक्लिष्टाः॥५॥
vṛttayaḥ pañcatayyaḥ kliṣṭā akliṣṭāḥ
vṛttayaḥ – the vibrations in mento-emotional energy; pañcatayyaḥ – fivefold; kliṣṭākliṣṭāḥ = kliṣṭā – agonizing + akliṣṭāḥ – non-troublesome.
The vibrations in the mento-emotional energy are five-fold, being agonizing or non-troublesome. (Yoga Sutras 5.)
Michael Beloved प्रमाणविपर्ययविकल्पनिद्रास्मृतयः॥६॥
pramāṇa viparyaya vikalpa nidrā smṛtayaḥ
pramāṇa – correct perception; viparyaya – incorrect perception; vikalpa – imagination; nidrā – sleep; smṛtayaḥ – memory.
They are correct perception, incorrect perception, imagination, sleep and memory. (Yoga Sutras 1.6)
Patanjali also give singular descriptions of these and suggests methodsof dealing with each of these vrittis. Why is it that you do not mention that but instead you mention a Swami. Why not explain Patanjali and then ad that a Swami added this or that, or that a Swami dismissed Patanjali because that person had something more effective?
Raj Kumar Dham Michael Beloved , my reference is to English language only not everyone who's native language is English.People who have done sadhana ( practice) and have studied the Yoga Sutras and have even translated ,they have understood Chitta and What is Yoga , irrespective of their native language or origin .Though I am an Indian my knowledge of Sanskrit is very very limited .
Raj Kumar Dham I have referred to Swami Vivekanand ji only who was a Yogi and has written Commentary on Patanjali Yoga Sutras and also on Raja Yoga . He has explained in detail about the Yoga Sutras ,nothing against Patanjali and I loved Vivekanand ji and his guru Paramhamsa Ramakrishna ji .I have read both of them in English and I was Inspired by them .
Don't try to be little them by saying some swamy .If you have not read about them and understood them donot pass some comments casually .Yogini also passed some wrong comments about Swami Vivekanand ji.
How can one justify the title " Separation Yoga " .These two words are poles apart ,and have contrary meaning .
Do you justify the title " Separation Yoga " ?
You always try to pick some words ,words are not that important the concept,the idea ,the philosophy and the context in which they are said .I agree your command on English is good .I referred to English language .
Earlier also you took up " surrender "in some other way .
Purity of heart is the most important thing for me and this is helping me in learni, understanding and moving forward on the path of truth and spirituality.
I love everyone including Yogini and you ,as see the divinity in everyone.
Michael Beloved Raj Raj Kumar Dham,
I did not use the term "Separation Yoga." And if there is a question about it, I feel that the question should be: Separation from What?
In relation to "Union Yoga," the inquiry should be: Union with What?
There would be no arguments or disagreements if those two questions were answered. The salt doll is separated from the physical world where it has that form when it is unified with the ocean and loses its individual format. That is how I would use those terms.
Dandavats!
Erinn Earth ~ (devaPriya Yogini) Yoga = Separation from the Vrittis.
so that,
union with higher energy sources or persons can occur.
It's simple but apparently aggravating to those who misinterpret.
Raj's feelings on Vivekananda's are but an opinion shared by many.
But this still doesn't mean that Vivekanada inspires everyone in the same way.
Some of us need more.
Some of us are far from satisfied with his insights and conclusions.
I was a long term student of blessed Swami Sivananda who is like a grandfather to me.
But I needed more.
It is my opinion that the writer of this post is a more advanced yogi then those being defended here....and I found the evidence by studying his books and LEARNING THE PRACTICE.
A side by side comparison of texts is good for anyone who has questions about comparisons.
I once did a side by side comparison of Michael Beloved's Bhagavad Gita Explained and Swami Bhaktivedanta's Gita. What I discovered in the differences in their translations and missionary influence was stunning.
Raj Kumar Dham Yes Michael Beloved,my question to Erinn Earth ~ (devaPriya Yogini) is as she has created Separation Yoga and she says it is to separate the Vrittis .To separate the Vrittis from what ?
Raj Kumar Dham Erinn Earth ~ (devaPriya Yogini) You have written union with higher energy or persons .Will you explain what these higher energies and persons .