Where Time Stands Still

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Date:  Posted 6 years before Nov 03, 2018

MiBeloved 6 years ago

Where Time Stands Still

Last night in the wee wee hours of the morning, my astral body was drawn into an adjacent parallel world in Guyana, at the place where my body grew up. I was with a lady who was a neighbor. She was of Portuguese descent and I was using a body of African descent. Despite having European roots, she was poverty stricken. Some of the Portuguese from the Madeira Island were imported into the country during the colonial era as indentured servants, which really meant that they were border line slaves.

After slavery was officially abolished, these indentured servants had to hustle and try to survive just as well as the freed slaves. In an adjacent parallel world, time stood still at about when I was about 11 years of age. Everything there now is the same as it was way back then which is about 50 years ago. Talk about an eternal now. That is it.

This lady began to go over details of our lives which were happening at the time because in her mind that is the Now.

All the elderly people whom she mentioned as well as herself have passed on. Some have taken a body, some have not. She has not and she had no intentions of doing so because she is focused on living in that parallel world where everything is set up just as it was some 50 years ago. She is eating the same kind of food especially salted meats and corn beef which used to be imported from Europe.

Her astral body looks just as old as her body did way back then. Portuguese bodies especially of women usually draw down with many wrinkles in old age. So her subtle body looks exactly like that.

Talking to her there was no room for mentioning reincarnation. She is completely blocked off from the idea. She was Catholic and still has those views about religion. One person who was not present was her son, a tall Portuguese young man who was about 9 years my senior at the time and who resembled Elvis Priestly, whose radio songs and movies were popular at the time.

So this is what happens to some persons who are materialistic, where they become deceased and then they remain in an adjacent parallel world in the astral for many years. Then at last when their desires for living like that are exhausted or when astral nature is no longer supportive of their ideas and customs, they get transferred to a family environment and come out again in the material world as somebody’s child.

Even in the astral existence, one is unable to help such a person because of the strong materialistic bent of mind.

Jettins 6 years ago

MiBeloved wrote:

In an adjacent parallel world, time stood still at about when I was about 11 years of age. Everything there now is the same as it was way back then which is about 50 years ago. Talk about an eternal now

Jettins' Reply:

This is an interesting observation. I was thinking about yesterday after I read it, if this where to actually happen to someone after death, why would it happen? How does someone qualify to exist in such a state? It appears to be a permanent state of non-lucidity in which the person does not have enough awareness of itself to break free from a self-imposed psychological curse in a sense.  But is it really self-imposed? I question myself, could it also be that they simply do not have the mental faculties required for creative thought? The subtle body after death not developed enough to contain the creative psychological make-up portion of a living person?

It could be the equivalent to someone in physical reality having gone through a terrible incident and being in a state of shook.  In this case a semi-permanent state of shook in a sense is experienced, in which the diseased person has limited capacities to process new information, in which the condition instead was triggered by their death.

This would point out to the validity of the psyche transferring itself to the subtle body to be variable. The question is how to prepare to conserve the creative, problem solving portion of the mind? Is it the level of transferring the consciousness awareness through the death process with a clear mind the essential part, or does it have something more to do with the preparation of the psyche and subtle body during physical life? If you ask me, we should do both.

In Experience #284 from July, 10 2011 called, “first mission as a facilitator”.  In short, I transitioned into the home of a young woman who was sad for not being able to be with her family.  I intuited her condition to be one of someone who does not want to let go of the past.  I walked around the home and saw many pictures hanging in the walls, appearing to me to be obsessing about her past.  I told her there was going to come a time when she was going to have to make a choice, to stay there or move on. I explained to her the nature of her new reality and showed her something that to her should have appeared as magic, but she instantly dismissed it. I had wondered why something so significant could be passed as meaningless, now I have my answer.

There could be a third way of looking at it, these special souls are destined for re-integration before a new seed, the essence is re-born in a new body.  Serving as foot soldiers to a higher purpose if you will. This process would build up to the whole, to our higher self in preparation for new experiences or challenges.

MiBeloved 6 years ago

Jettins' wrote:

Experience #284

It appears to be a permanent state of non-lucidity

MiBeloved's Response:

Being lucid is not a prerequisite for existing. It is not a requirement. Reality does not give a hoot about it.  Ever went to the Amazon Rain Forest? Ever seen the tangled masses of vegetation? And then here comes a white man, who buys a piece of land. Here comes his mower, blower and limb cutter. He is going to untangle everything and make everything grow in an orderly fashion, manicured to the limit. Nature could give a damn.

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Jettins' wrote:

I told her there was going to come a time when she was going to have to make a choice, to stay there or move on.

MiBeloved's Response:

MiBeloved would have said this instead:

There would come a time when you will either move on voluntarily or reach the edge of fate where fate moves you on, irrespective of your preference.

Either you will act in presumption of what fate would do or you will stall and then fate will take its course and act upon you.

You can choose within fate’s allowance or let that expire and let fate choose for you.

Jettins 6 years ago

I have a question regarding something you said:

Jettins: I told her there was going to come a time when she was going to have to make a choice, to stay there or move on.

MiBeloved would have said this instead:

There would come a time when you will either move on voluntarily or reach the edge of fate where fate moves you on, irrespective of your preference.

Either you will act in presumption of what fate would do or you will stall and then fate will take its course and act upon you.

Jettins' comment:

Not to undermine your belief, you might be right. But I am wondering how did you arrive at this conclusion?  Could there be any permanent dimensions or psychological states of being (in the astral) that operate or exist entirely on free will and not fate?

In other words a limited state inside a psychological bubble blocked from stage 2 (or progress) for example, yet stage 1 can take as long as desired, and resuming of stage 2 will be waiting upon completion of stage 1. In some cases stage 1 creating its own sense of time separate from other dimensions. In other words not time dependent as fate would suggest, but readiness dependent by self realization.

My experiences suggest that there are some limited states that operate entirely on free will, or for the build up to a new state of readiness (stage 1 to stage 2).

When I said:

there was going to come a time when she was going to have to make a choice, to stay there or move on

I was implying that creating the state of readiness required to move on into new states of being was her own. Unless your thoughts contradict this view, in that case it would mean that at some point there would be an uncooperative........collecting, harvesting, merger or purging of sorts?  I don't mean to sound condescending in any way by the way I am wording this post. Your thoughts are very valuable and interesting to me.

In support to your view, have you noticed that some people when watching TV are totally immersed in a type of trance, unable to hear or perceive absolutely anything that is going around them (observation of stage1). To them things happening outside their focus attention do not exist (observation of stage 1). Would fate be like screening to someone watching TV under a trance causing them to snap out? They did not mean to be unaware, they simply did not know any better (observation of stage1). In effect using fate to trigger faculties to unlock true will? And in essence combining fate and free will.

Looking at it as a whole, regardless of how it all really operates, I think there is free will in at least one variable.

Thanks in advance.

MiBeloved 6 years ago

Jettins' query:

Could there be any permanent dimensions or psychological states of being (in the astral) that operate or exist entirely on free will and not fate?

MiBeloved's Response:

This is not going to happen. Consider first who would have created such a place. Let us say that I arrive in such a place which is permissive 100% of my free will in which there is no overriding veto power or a fate determination, then please explain to me first if I created such a place.

If someone created the place and then I got there and utilized it, then free will in such a place has no meaning because it is a free will under condition that the creator of the place will allow me to exercise my free will there. That dependency on that creator would disqualify free will in real terms.

If you get a chance look at my book Krishna Cosmic Body, it might help you in this understanding.

If you feel that I can create such a place a fresh out of materials which I produced then let me know and then we can continue a sensible discussion about this.

Special Note:

I have gone to a very high astral dimension in which a deity, a supernatural unlimited being, had his own place, a planetary residence with a sky. There he was the only one in a divine human-looking form. When I got there I was mildly surprised to say the least. This happened around 1974. I thought to myself, “Shit! I could hang out here forever. This place is trouble free. I will ask the God of this place, if I can stay here. What the heck? Why go back to live on a miserable little planet with all those obnoxious living beings who think that they are God while in fact, they are just existential termites.

I was using a special subtle body which in respect to the material form I am using now was spiritual, beyond deterioration, attractive with all pure light energies in it, no blood no flesh, no lower astral energies.

The deity (I did not get his name) was here by a beach which had all gem stones sparkling. He had a palace which was alluring. He was lying on a spiritual sofa. So then I said to him,

“My God, how are you living here when many other beings are living in the existential ghettos and they feel that they are God and they are in heaven already? What is the requirement for living in a place like this? Can I stay here even in a small part of this place where I won’t disturb your peace?”

And then he smiled and indicated that it was not possible but he said that I would meet with him again in the future.

Which future I do not know? To such a person the future could be in the next 2 billion years. So then I faded from that place and came back to being the person who I am in this life on earth.

So why did I mention this?

Because your question is answered in that experience but you are not at a stage where you can really see how it applies. But here is a hint.

When you reach the stage where you can create your own world out of your own materials, then you might begin a sensible conversation about free will, otherwise it is just New Age fantasy talk which salves the ego but does nothing else.

That deity was a person who was living in such a way that his free will was the fate to such a degree that no one could interfere with his creation. Furthermore no one could even go to his place unless he explicitly wanted that person to be there. And anyone who was there had to be in compliance with his free will, with his created fate.

As soon as you talk about free will and you run off with some fantasy idea and you are not willing to face up with what will happen to such a state if there is more than one person in it, you are beating around the bush with fantasy and ego notions.

The reason why I was not permitted to stay with that deity was this: I was not in complete harmony with his free will. When you live with God you have to live in a state where your free will is operative only in subordination to his free will.

How are you going to have a place where there is free will, especially with a group of spirits who all feel they are God, that they are supreme in themselves? These very same people cannot live in harmony as husband and wife. These very same people will feel that they have equal rights. In a place where everyone has equal rights how will you have free will? The whole concept of having free will is a nice fantasy but is it anything else.

You know that in the developed countries there are so many books about this free will crap that it is disgusting because the people who write these books have disharmony in their personal lives and cannot come to terms with even their own spouses.

How can there be free will unless you are alone and there is no one else there to object and to demand their equal rights.

I want to bring to your attention a statement of Krishna however and in this statement freewill or the agent is only one of the factors. What about the other four unless the agent has created these all by himself or herself?

Learn from Me, O mighty-armed man, of the five factors declared in the Sāṁkhya doctrine for the accomplishment of all actions:

The location, the agent, the various instruments, the various movements, and destiny, the fifth factor. (Bhagavad Gita: 18.13-14)

Here is a commentary from the Brahma Yoga Bhagavad Gita book which explains this somewhat:

For the purpose of brahma yoga, these five factors are within the psyche. These should be regarded and dealt with in reference to their effects within the psyche of the yogin as follows:

Adhișţhānam or the location is the subtle and causal bodies. For brahma yogins, the location is not physical but it is so for others, even for karma yogins. In the case of Arjuna, it was a physical location, Kurukșetra, a place in India. But for the brahma yogins, the advanced buddhi yogins, jñāna yogins, there is no concern with physical locations. We are concerned with the subtle and causal bodies.

Kartā or the agent in this case is the attentive energy of the self. This attentive energy is the factor which sanctions the promptings of the subtle energies and causes them to be developed into subtle and then physical actions. This attentive energy is known as ahankāra which is sometimes translated into other languages to mean false ego. It is the sense of identity in material nature. Unless this sense of identity is restricted in its involvement with the subtle body, there can be no effective control of that form.

Some argue that the agent is the spirit itself and not its attention merely. This argument does not hold for the purposes of brahma yoga, because the attention is to an extent, a power unto itself. Student yogins struggle to control this independent attention which operates automatically as it is prompted by the organs in the subtle body and by the citta energy in the causal form. The sensitivity of the attention needs to be curbed. For now it is too sensitive to the organs of the subtle body and to the memories. Hence it is a botheration.

Karaṇam, the various instruments, are the organs in the subtle body, which are the intellect, the mind chamber with its sensitivity, the senses which emit from the mind chamber, the imagination orb which is a technical part of the intellect, and the memory which is the linking point between the subtle and causal forms.

At the point where the subtle body connects to the causal form, there is a nexus junction which is the mouth to the subtle body. This is experienced as the memory in the psychic domain. Unless these instruments are curbed from their impulsive operations, there cannot be success in the spiritual quest. Śrī Patañjali alerted us to this as follows:

yogaḥ cittavṛtti nirodhaḥ