Talking in a Lucid Dream

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Date:  Posted 6 years before Sep 19, 2018

Marcia Beloved 6 years ago

Early in the morning before fully awakening, I became aware of myself in my mind space.

Michael refers to this as lucid dreaming, in which you find yourself in a dream while the subtle body remains interspersed with the physical body. (This contrasts to astral projection when the subtle body separates from the physical one.)

I was in the mindspace, and I was speaking to someone I know. I said something specific, but I was focused in myself. I did not visualize myself or the other person. What I spoke was a direct expression of thoughts I’ve had in recent months.

I decided that I was in the mindspace, probably in the analytical orb, because as soon as I finished speaking, a bright golden light energy pervaded the entire frontal head space. I was enveloped in this golden light. This lasted for several seconds.

This experience is puzzling to me in more ways than one:

While dreaming, I didn’t experience myself as the current physical body. As I spoke, I was simply the words spoken. I was the identity in the mindspace and I represented myself by words which pertained to my current physical body.

Who or what was I? I was not the physical body, and I was not identified with a subtle form either.

This leads to another question: Did the core self speak? Does the core self use the mind to generate thoughts, which I then experience as speech? In this case, I was speaking in English which is the language of my physical body.

Was I thinking, or was I talking? Was the core self representing itself through the thought generating mechanism of the analytical orb?

Is there any significance to the golden light appearing afterwards?

MiBeloved 6 years ago

Marcia Beloved wrote:

I decided that I was in the mindspace, probably in the analytical orb, because as soon as I finished speaking, a bright golden light energy pervaded the entire frontal head space. I was enveloped in this golden light. This lasted for several seconds.

MiBeloved's Response:

It is not the case that the core-self goes into the analytical orb. The core-self peers into and becomes absorbed into what the analytical orb does. This is similar to peering into a crystal ball as witches and warlocks are fabled to do.

However it is possible to feel as if the core-self has entered the orb even though in fact it does not enter but only becomes absorbed by the pictures, ideas and thoughts which the orb produces. If you sit in a theatre and peer at scenes where events are shown in a video or if it is a 3D video experience, you are not actually in the screen or in the projection energy which creates the images. But you can feel just as if you were in it in fact.

The question of being in the mind space and not being in the mind space should not arise, because the self is stuck with being in the mind space. It does not have the ability at this stage to get out of the mind space. Ask yourself the question if a bone in your toe can jump out of your body. Okay, then that is not such a good question. Let us pick on one of the major organs in the body, the brain for instance. Even though it is the most intelligence-demonstrating part of the body, still it does not have the power to jump out of the body. Similarly, the core self for all it, and some people are saying that it is God, cannot jump out of the mind space. At least not in its present configuration. It has power, no doubt about it, but we have to be clear as to what it can and cannot do and not try to award it infinite powers.

Usually the analytical orb is seen as an object usually of a super milky-white or white with blue edges or with a whitish creamish color and it is seen distinctly as something else, as an object which is before the self and which is not the self itself. There is usually some space between the core-self and the orb when it is seen. Sometimes it is seen as a sort of translucent jelly fish-like object with shimmering energy. The vision of it is very distinct and is not something that is ever forgotten because it is so weird. Usually when it is seen there is mental darkness all around it and therefore it is distinct and contrasting to that mental darkness.

It is surmised in meditation usually by its activity. That is the regular way to find it, detect it and control it.

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Marcia Beloved wrote:

While dreaming, I didn’t experience myself as the current physical body. As I spoke, I was simply the words spoken. I was the identity in the mindspace and I represented myself by words which pertained to my current physical body.

Who or what was I? I was not the physical body, and I was not identified with a subtle form either.

MiBeloved's Response:

Many people are talking about self realization, their higher self, their Buddha nature, their God self, being God, oneness with God, being absolute and so on.

Your experience of

a bright golden light energy pervaded the entire frontal head space. I was enveloped in this golden light.

….is the experience of the core-self in total existential isolation. Read Patanjali about kevalam and kaivalyam. There are two verses about this. This experience is the completion of the first verse of kaivalyam. People have questioned me about self realization and I must say that this is perhaps the clearest description of what self realization is. Interestingly the self in this case does not even understand that this is what that is.

Mergence into brahman by any means including by raising kundalini, is this experience and more in the sense, it is this experiences and also this in the presence of trillions of individual atma, unit spirits. This also shows the person that he or she is a particular atma called in Sanskrit as jiva-atma

Initially this spiritual self which is eternal, is not in material existence. But once it comes into material existence it realizes itself as whatever body it has in the material creation and this experience gives it the idea of itself as an individual entity, jiva-atma.

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Buddha rejected the idea of an atma or self and he talked about anatma which means no-self but that really means no lasting or enduring application of the senses of identity of the self. Interestingly this morning early during meditation I got a loop energy to a deity in a monastery in South Korea and he was discussing this with me. When I asked him why he said anatma and in that way banished any idea of self, he said this,

“Self is there. That is self-evidence. Gautama is not another self. Gautama has had many applications of self identity and Gautama admitted that. Gautama explained about his meditations going back to his past lives. Gautama spoke about where he would be when he left the body, like with buddhas in the Tushita heavens.

“Self has to be there. It is the self which witnesses so it is always witnessing. My point was to explain that the cultural affiliations of the self as it transmigrates are all impermanent and should not be adhered to beyond their relevancy. Anatma means being without a permanent social or cultural self. If people want to take that to an extreme and say there is no observer self what can I do about it?

“Eventually one will see that this posture of a no self, no neutral observer is useless and one will walk away from it. I am not somebody else. Somebody else is not me. We are individual entities who are constantly beset with misery in these creations and we should do something to get ourselves out of these cultural designations. That was the gist of my statements.

“Do not feel frustrated because you are unable to convey this. The time will come in the life of a person, sometime, even millions of births hence, when that person will be honest about this. Don’t even try to establish this. To help me, just you keep your spiritual practice in earnest. That is all I request.”

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Initially this spiritual self which is eternal, is not in material existence. But once it comes into material existence it realizes itself as whatever body it has in the material creation. This experience gives it the idea of itself as an individual entity atma. Even before when it was just subjectively aware without any objective understanding even of itself, it was amidst trillions of individual selves in the brahman exclusive spiritual energy.

However it was not objectively aware of itself. In your experience you became objectively aware of the self on the spiritual plane of consciousness which is termed as brahman in the Upanishads. On that level it is sheer spiritual light in all direction and one cannot tell where the self begins or where it ends. Usually the selves there are in the sat stage of brahman which means the subjective existence state.

In your experience you were in the sat + chit stage which means awareness of the individual self of itself in the sat brahman spiritual energy as that energy itself.  But your description did not include the ananda stage, which is sat+chit+ananda consciousness. In that full stage the self is a unit of awareness + it is conscious of itself as that + it is conscious of the energy emanating from itself as bliss energy.

In your experience it was like if a light sees through itself as it emanates or produces light.

This is the experience of the bare self, the seer in its spiritual energy without being aware of any adjunctions or other energies which exist around that particular self (jiva atma)

It is correct that the individual self is not the material body. It is not the subtle body. It is not the mind chamber in which it is presently imprisoned.

But still it has responsibility for the physical and subtle bodies. And it is accountable to superior beings, all the way up to the Supreme Person.

When this self is disconnected from the adjuncts of the subtle body, then it does not experience any identity of itself with the subtle or gross bodies or parts or organs which are in those forms.

My assumption is that by the grace of the Buddha deity you have had this experience which is rare.  When this same enlightened self is hooked back up again with the adjuncts it loses this sat-chit perspective and it resumes the usually perspective of having many temporary identities which Buddha condemned as being anatma or no-self.

By itself, this individual spiritual self is disinterested in the material creation and also in the subtle world which is the basis of the gross creation, and still when it is linked into the adjunct it loses this disinterested condition. But be sure to understand that this individual self does not have the power to permanently release itself. That has to be achieved with the assistance of a divine being, otherwise it is not possible.

At least you can say that is what Michael Beloved said when he lived on earth.

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Marcia Beloved wrote:

This leads to another question: Did the core self speak? Does the core self use the mind to generate thoughts, which I then experience as speech? In this case, I was speaking in English which is the language of my physical body.

MiBeloved's Response:

The core self did speak but without using the adjuncts. The language of English is not the speech of the core-self but its expression was picked up by the adjuncts and was broadcasted in the psyche as an English language.

The speech of the core self is the original expression of some idea or thought. That is not a language thing. It is just an expression which is a spiritual act which causes spiritual energy to reverberate. That is picked up by an adjunct in the subtle body and is instantly converted into a means of communication, based on the cultural orientation of the present body.

Usually if you are in the brahman exclusive spiritual realm, your expressions do not convert into speech-language as it does in the material world.  But if you have a subtle body, then the expressions will be converted either by your deliberate use of the conversion psychic adjuncts or by the sensing ability of the adjuncts themselves. The adjuncts do not require your deliberation for their operation. If the CIA places a sensitive microphone in your room you do not have to turn it on for its operation. It is already turned on. Whatever you speak it will broadcast on the other end. The adjuncts operate automatically. They were not installed in your psyche by you and therefore they are not accountable to you.

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Marcia Beloved wrote:

Was I thinking, or was I talking? Was the core self representing itself through the thought generating mechanism of the analytical orb?

MiBeloved's Response:

The core self was not representing itself through the thought generating mechanism of the analytical orb but rather the orb was operating on its own to produce the speech. It does not need the core-self’s permission to operate in this way. It functions automatically, at least until you become integrated into the self realization of this experience.

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