Supernatural vision by a definite method
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 3 years before Sep 16, 2016
MiBeloved 3 years ago
I had luck again with the use of supernatural vision just after breath infusion session.
In this session, it was a vision of people in Indonesia. It had the feel of that place. It was a school yard where some students who wore uniforms were passing back and forth.
This occurred in the head of the subtle body. One feels as if the place is located within one’s head and that everything there is within one’s head and one exists there invisible as an eye orb within the subtle head.
Again as in a recent experience the level of the eye was about that of the sight of a dog which has eyes that might be about 18 inches from the ground.
This is a buddhi intellect orb vision. It occurs in the head of the subtle body. At first one has to do breath infusion. Then one should sit to meditate immediately after, so that the effects of the infusion are still prominent in the psyche.
Then one sits to meditate and immediately latches on to the naad sound in the back of the head or if one cannot hear naad, one should just go to the back of the head. One remains in naad for a time, and then there is a development where one begins to see things, really.
If it happens that one does not see thing, if it happens that the mind resumes its ordinary concerns and misbehave with images and sounds, then one should resume the naad meditation with a removal of focus on everything except naad.
To encourage the development of the supernatural vision, once you are in naad, you have to gather the energy which exudes from the psyche in the direction of the front of the head. This is not the usual pratyahar practice for introspection and sensual energy withdrawal. In this practice there are no rays of energy going out of the psyche, so one is not required to retrieve that energy. In this case there is an energy exuding from the sense of identity which surrounds the core-self. But this energy does not go out of the psyche, it remains in the psyche.
One takes this energy and pulls it back so that it is folds in on the core self. This practice is a new development and is actually a secret kriya. Srila Yogeshwarananda recently turned me on to this kriya and then he left, thinking that I would practice it daily and get my act together.
Neo_Yogi 3 years ago
Dear Swami,
MiBeloved wrote:
One remains in naad for a time, and then there is a development where one begins to see things, really.
(…) If it happens that one does not see thing, if it happens that the mind resumes it ordinary concerns and misbehave with images and sounds, then one should resume the naad meditation with a removal of focus on everything except naad.
Neo_Yogi's query:
Is it easy to distinguish between the images coming from this 'misbehaving mind' and the images resulting from the attention to naad sound?
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MiBeloved wrote:
To encourage the development of the supernatural vision, once you are in naad, you have to gather the energy which exudes from the psyche in the direction of the front of the head.
Neo_Yogi's query:
How does one feel this energy exudation? By 'energy' you mean a special feeling or sense of the self?
MiBeloved 3 years ago
Neo_Yogi's query:
Is it easy to distinguish between the images coming from this 'misbehaving mind' and the images resulting from the attention to naad sound?
MiBeloved's Response:
It is easy to do this because it happens only after a pause of silence in the mind, silence in the frontal area of the brain where usually there are images, sounds etc, which pertain to physical life and its related mental and emotional participation.
The student must first be sincere with naad focus and should have done the breath infusion beforehand. If there is no breath infusion, then this may not happen except on rare occasions by chance.
Breath infusion is essential because it causes the subtle body to jump to a higher frequency where the usual riff-raff activity of the mind does not occur. If the person returns to the usual level then the riff-raff will occur again, because that is natural at that level.
It is like I live in a run-down part of town where the law and order does not prevail. All sorts of criminal activity take place there as a matter of course. But then somehow by taking a certain bus I go to an upscale part of town, where everything is orderly and where law enforcement effectively functions.
If I stay in the run down part of town and try to make my situation orderly, I may do that but only to a limited extent. I need to move out of the area. The breath infusion is what acts as the conveyor or special transit to take me to the upscale area.
With the breath infusion done, then the student will find that if he or she meditates immediately after while the influence of the infusion still prevails, there will be an observation that the mind is not the same as it was before, that it is in a different level of existence, a level where the riff raff is not there.
If we drive out into the desert where there is no human civilization, then we will not hear human noises, human construction and other activities. Those features are just not there.
Let us clarify this: The riff raff is not there and this is not because you are sitting there visualizing an empty mind or sitting there following your breath or sitting there repeating a mantra mentally or aurally or sitting there listening to a guided meditation tape. The reason it is not there is that the breath infusion has pushed your mind to another level. Evidence of this is that after about 15 or 20 minutes or sometime less, you will find that the mind has resumed its normal riff raff behavior.
This breath infusion is important. The infusion itself, not your will power, not your power of observation, not your mental or emotional detachment, is what causes the mind to move to the level where it just cannot be involved with the riff raff energy. And furthermore that energy still exists somewhere else on a lower mental plane. It is just that you are not in contact with it. But the mind will resume the contact as soon as the breath infusion effects have worn off.
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Let us go back to your question:
Is it easy to distinguish between the images coming from this 'misbehaving mind' and the images resulting from the attention to naad sound?
MiBeloved's Response:
Yes, it is easy to distinguish because if you know how your mind usually operates, then if it behaves in a different way, you ought to know it. So the lady has a kid. He usually fidgets when she takes him to the dentist. The little chap likes to tear up the magazines in the waiting room. His mother is always terribly embarrassed. She cannot punish him physically because that is against the law. Her verbal reprimands are useless because the little shit ignores her.
But one day when she got to the office when he had a bad tooth ache, the little chap just sat next to her silently.
So then I ask the question of how I would determine if his behavior is different. Well the answer lies in knowing what his usual behavior was in the first place. There is a difference. If you notice that there is no difference, then you have answered your question. It has to be a marked difference.
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MiBeloved wrote:
To encourage the development of the supernatural vision, once you are in naad, you have to gather the energy which exudes from the psyche in the direction of the front of the head.
Neo_Yogi's query:
How does one feel this energy exudation? By 'energy' you mean a special feeling or sense of the self?
MiBeloved's Response:
This is a good inquiry. One has to master the differentiation between the self and the adjuncts which it uses in the head of the subtle body. The chapter one of the Meditation Pictorial book should be mastered beforehand.
Initially one cannot understand this instruction because we are endowed with a lack of psychic perception. One cannot differentiate between the adjuncts and the core-self. Initially there is only a self and nothing else. Initially the mind is the self. This is totally wrong but it is how we outfitted with spiritual ignorance initially are.
Therefore the student has to work his way into the required psychic clarity, so that he knows what is the self, as a core-unit “I am” consciousness which is surrounded by other psychic energy which is difficult for the same self to distinguish from itself.
Neo_Yogi 3 years ago
MiBeloved wrote:
The student must first be sincere with naad focus and should have done the breath infusion beforehand. If there is no breath infusion, then this may not happen except on rare occasions by chance.
Neo_Yogi's query:
Can a novice like me do breath infusion only with kapala bhati? If so, how should I execute it? Currently I'm only doing a couple of cycles of kapalabhati before meditation in a sitting posture. Actually I don't know how many rounds I should do or how long a single session should last...
MiBeloved 3 years ago
Make contact with Alfredo who is experienced with pranayama practice and with meditation.
He may assist you.
And also use a cheap camera and take a video of what you are doing and get that to us.
We can look at it and then provide recommendations.
manishsony 3 years ago
Michael ji,
I started experimenting with NAAD Sound recently. When I was doing this headache started little. It was not actually headache it was like some change in focus level and I was feeling very uncomfortable since last 2-3 months. I thought that something is wrong in practice so I again moved my focus away from sound. I started to feel normal after that. That unusual feeling was not paranormal in my opinion and I was facing difficulties in doing normal daily tasks also. My focus of head was moved during that period and I could hear Snnnnn sound whenever required or tried.
Is that normal ?
I also lost the ability to get remote vision of far places, which was happening automatically after closing the eyes.
It looks like both the sound and vision working in different modes of mind. When we switch the mode of mind other mode starts to stop.
Is there any way to combine both the modes so Astral Vision and Astral Sound can be combined!
Neo_Yogi 3 years ago
Good morning Swami,
MiBeloved wrote:
Make contact with Alfredo who is experienced with pranayama practice and with meditation.
He may assist you.
Neo_Yogi's Reply:
I will, thanks.
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MiBeloved wrote:
And also use a cheap camera and take a video of what you are doing and get that to us.
Neo_Yogi's Reply:
But I'm not doing anything complex yet; I just sit in Burmese posture (both feet touching the floor; I found that this posture is less painful for my knees and ankles) and do kapala bhati as you explained in this post when you said:
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MiBeloved wrote:
Do kapala bhati by forcefully exhaling and allow the inhale to just happen as a reflex which you do not control.
Neo_Yogi's Reply:
After 30-40 exhalations I stop to recover my natural breath and then I do it again, this time pushing down the fingers (still in sitting posture). I do this, let's say, 4-5 rounds with my palms on the knees and 4-5 times pushing down the fingers. I don't apply any bandha or lock yet.
How can I improve it to be benefited during the naad focus afterward?
Should I just add more rounds or perhaps I should start trying Alfredo's video executing just kapala bhati.
MiBeloved 3 years ago
manishsony wrote:
I started experimenting with NAAD Sound recently. When I was doing this headache started little. It was not actually headache it was like some change in focus level and I was feeling very uncomfortable since last 2-3 months. I thought that something is wrong in practice so I again moved my focus away from sound. I started to feel normal after that. That unusual feeling was not paranormal in my opinion and I was facing difficulties in doing normal daily tasks also. My focus of head was moved during that period and I could hear Snnnnn sound whenever required or tried.
Is that normal ?
MiBeloved's Response:
If there is a switch in brain pattern, headaches become possible, even the migraine headaches. Any switch in some routine way the brain works could bring on headache, sleeplessness and in some people sleep.
It does not apply only to yoga or meditation methods. It applies to all features of our lives. Particularly in the elderly, in persons say beyond 50 years of age, it is highly likely that this will happen. Recently a young lady who is related to my body described her headaches which were occurring due to her super-performance at her work place. When she slowed down and did less the headaches went away.
What I am saying is that it has nothing to do with meditation or yoga but with a change in activity pattern. The brain once it is used to a certain method, will create mental tracks for that, so if you try to change that there will be some resistance which you will feel as a headache or a strain.
There is one thing that you are missing which is a thorough pranayama session before meditation. Remember that the process given by Patanjali Mahayogin has pranayama before pratyahar.
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manishsony wrote:
I also lost the ability to get remote vision of far places, which was happening automatically after closing the eyes.
It looks like both the sound and vision working in different modes of mind. When we switch the mode of mind other mode starts to stop.
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Continued from above.......
Is there any way to combine both the modes so Astral Vision and Astral Sound can be combined!
MiBeloved's Response:
Naad sound is a very dear friend of a yogi, and an important place for a yogi to hide from the ravages of the imagination and organized thinking of the mind. Hence there cannot be anything negative about naad.
However you need to be patient with naad. It takes some investment in naad meditation before it will pay off.
Here is the system:
Meditate on naad by either linking to naad from a mental distance or going directly into naad by relocating your centralized self-consciousness. Stay in naad until you think that it has saturated your self-consciousness. Then relax in naad like if you are floating in it or lying down in it or feeling its vibration being transmitted through your self-consciousness.
Wait in naad like this until there is some signal or until you find that you are no longer in naad and you are somewhere else.
This will put you in touch with the frontal part of the subtle head where the remote vision takes place. If when you find yourself in this frontal area you notice the unwanted mental ideas from the low level of the mind, and then return to naad.
If you find yourself there and there is the remote vision, then tune into that while keeping a slight contact with naad? Do not release yourself from naad completely. Maintain a slight contact while the remote vision operates.
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Neo_Yogi,
Please try Alfredo’s video.
I also need to see how you are pushing down the fingers, if you can get a snap shot of your hand when this is done, I would appreciate it.
Is there a reason why you are not doing the locks?
Please see if you can get Alfredo to give you some guidance with the locks. That is important.
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Is there any back support?
Alfredo 3 years ago
Manish Ji!
It would be a pity if you lose your ability to discern through the 3rd eye, which you have described several times before.
However, when you said "remote vision of far [away] places", there is 3rd-eye vision and another type of vision, more akin to this description, which was described by Michael recently and comes from peripheral Buddhi Orb vision, like when he saw people in the New York subway recently.
Since you later wrote "Astral Vision", it seems you are referring indeed to the 3rd eye, that can open to the astral, and other, worlds.
I believe that that ability of yours may come from practices from previous lives. But like someone who has many lakhs of rupees in the bank, and does not re-invest them, but often draws from the same account, one day it could get exhausted.
Could it be that the thorough pranayama session recommended above, systematically, could restore and rejuvenate the bank account?
Neo_Yogi 3 years ago
MiBeloved wrote:
I also need to see how you are pushing down the fingers, if you can get a snap shot of your hand when this is done, I would appreciate it.
Neo_Yogi's Reply:
I took a snap shot for you to check it (not easy doing it oneself); I just put both my arms straight and at the back -as if they were a back support- to better pull the fingers down. I have to mention that I feel an unpleasant burning feeling in my palms, I guess by the effect of stretching the finger ligaments. After a couple of days that burning feeling is still there, but less disturbing now.
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MiBeloved wrote:
Is there a reason why you are not doing the locks?
Neo_Yogi's Reply:
No reason actually. When I first watched Alfredo's video I found it all very complex: breathing, asanas, locks, all together... I just tried to imitate the movements following you on that video and I soon got lost after a couple of minutes so I realized I needed to take a step at the time in order to understand the whole procedure. I inquired about the breath of fire and I followed your instruction of starting with kapalabhati only, and that's where I am at now.
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MiBeloved wrote:
Please see if you can get Alfredo to give you some guidance with the locks. That is important.
Neo_Yogi's Reply:
Yes, I'll contact him later on or tomorrow morning. Alfredo, my friend, get ready! :)
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MiBeloved wrote:
Is there any back support?
Neo_Yogi's Reply:
No, I don't need back support nor cushion to sit on; for the moment I feel comfortable that way for a 30 minute meditation session.
MiBeloved 3 years ago
Areas circled should not touch the ground.
Lift thumb off round.
Raise the finger base area which is circled.
Alfredo 3 years ago
Jose:
I am always ready.
Not only that, that Acharya Ji recommends me for any kind of help, is here an honor that I can't hardly describe. Of the highest degree.
On the pic with the fingers, notice in the video that the direction of the hands and fingers should be parallel to, an aligned with, your body (not perpendicular to it). Not only that, being that the main reason for this is to fool the brain into thinking that you are exerting yourself, thus to increase the air intake by the lungs, after finishing always follow with the hands' rubbing to release the tension created in each hand at the base of the fingers.
Another important point, visualize for a moment the alveols in your lungs. Here is where the battle is won. The breath infusion must be such that the air is minutely and fully taken at the alveol's level. This is key!
The main objective of this practice is to remove apana/CO2 and infuse prana/O2 to cleanse the subtle body or the psychic body, in preparation for meditation.
MiBeloved 3 years ago
Neo_Yogi's wrote:
I have to mention that I feel an unpleasant burning feeling in my palms, I guess by the effect of stretching the finger ligaments. After a couple of days that burning feeling is still there, but less disturbing now.
MiBeloved's Response:
The unpleasant burning feel is the sign that carbon dioxide and ketones were released from the finger joints and from the area where each finger meets with the palm of the hand.
Just after a session of breaths with the fingers pushed down, rub the fingers up-and-down, then interlock them and twist them back and forth. This releases more gaseous toxins which can enter the blood stream and be exchanged out of the lungs for fresh air
Thomer Scheepens 3 years ago
MiBeloved wrote:
"If there is a switch in brain pattern, headaches become possible, even the migraine headaches. Any switch in some routine way the brain works could bring on headache, sleeplessness and in some people sleep."
Thomer Scheepens' Reply:
This week and the week before I had almost everyday migraines with nauseas until this morning. Now it's much better and almost don't have.
manishsony 3 years ago
Thank you Michael ji and Alfredo ji for your expert advice. I need to explore more. I think I am not doing things properly and have some wrong mental state. Once I will clear this test and qualify for next level I will be in new mind, body & spirit configuration.
Neo_Yogi 3 years ago
Dear Swami MiBeloved and Alfredo,
Thank you both again for your comments and instructions, I'll keep them in mind.
Alfredo, I'll contact you this weekend when I'm less busy with mundane tasks.
Alfredo 3 years ago
Jose:
The little I know I place at your feet. Hope to be of service.
Everything I know on this is through the grace of Yogi Madhvacharya, he is the one.