Return of Swami Shivananda

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Date:  Posted 3 years before Nov 28, 2016

MiBeloved 3 years ago

Recently I was seeing much of Swami Shivananda, the old father, in the astral world. It seems that his entry into the brahman energy did not result in his going over to the spiritual atmosphere, otherwise he would not be back on the astral side teaching and instructing.

I had previously, a few years back, when I was with Srila Yogeshwarananda near the causal plane, seen Swami Shivananda vanish into the brahman energy but now he is back on the astral side. This morning somebody told me that he had assisted them and was speaking to them about their practice.

However I just got a message about 4pm Eastern Standard Time (June 7th 2013), where he said directly into my subtle head that as soon as I would leave my body he will take another embryo.

Why he decided to do this, I do not know.

For me though it means that I will be stuck in the astral after leaving the body, because that is what happened to him, where he was not released and then when he entered the brahman spiritual atmosphere, none of the environments in there accepted him for the long term, not even the brahman effulgence itself.

People get this hairy scary idea that they can just select the next destination but actually much of this has to do with being selected for the next higher destination or just going to a median or lower one automatically by one’s quality of consciousness.

Anyway I just felt to share this news.

The whole thing is that Lord Shiva cannot be found. He has quarantined himself somewhere and not even a yogi as great as Swamiji can locate him. So much for getting help from an absolute being.

Lokas or worlds beyond are all jurisdictionally controlled, which means that entry is acquired by deity sanction only. Otherwise the ascetic will be stuck in some half way place or some lower somewhere, who knows where!

For going downward little or no permission is required. For staying in some median adjacent astral place, no special energy is needed. That is the limit of one’s independent selection.

devaPriya Yogini 3 years ago

Om Bolo Sat Guru Sivananda Maharaj Ji Ki! JAYA!

Alfredo 3 years ago

Thank you very much Acharya Ji for bringing forth this critical information from the realm of yoga and the spirit in relation to Swami Shivananda.

The influence of Swamiji in this realm during the 20th century was so marked as to defy comprehension. As Sri Aurobindo once wrote about his life having been mostly underneath the view of mortal man to fathom, only those few like you who have the spiritual yogic vision, can understand, and point out to us, the importance of Swami Shivananda in the context of yoga.

I am reading a biography of that tremendous soul once called Eleanor Roosevelt. She had a kin religious instinct and a close relationship with God all her life, which she maintained within the Western outlook.

Miss Wilson, her contemporary, daughter of President Woodrow Wilson, whom Sri Aurobindo/Mother named Nishta, gravitated towards Hinduism and yoga, moved to Pondicherry, and ended her life in the Sri Aurobindo ashram.

Bhagiratha 3 years ago

With no disrespect to the great yogis and no offense to the deities, but why would you want to come back to this location after having spent millions of births perfecting the skills of yoga? Why take another embryo, when this is against what we are being taught, to continue progressing in the yoga taught by Sri Patanjali in the hopes of not ever having to take another body in this already hellish condition.

And what's up with Lord Shiva? isn't he supposed to be assisting the yogis with their advancements? Why is he not now available to Swami Shivananda ? and what about the Supreme Deity Himself! , couldn't He have allowed Swami Shivananda entrance into the spiritual world?

Who really has the final say? couldn't Krishna favor this yogi for entrance?

Yes, I know his spiritual practice will not be lost, buy why work again to get yourself out, when you have already done that? 

I am sorry, but this is all so confusing to me.

MiBeloved 3 years ago

Bhagiratha wrote:

With no disrespect to the great yogis and no offense to the deities, but why would you want to come back to this location after having spent millions of births perfecting the skills of yoga? Why take another embryo, when this is against what we are being taught, to continue progressing in the yoga taught by Sri Patanjali in the hopes of not ever having to take another body in this already hellish condition.

MiBeloved's Response:

These are very good questions which challenge the validity of the process of yoga.

A yogi should aspire for the very best and should work in the practice in such a way so that he or she may attain the very best. However it is not all up to the yogi as to what happens hereafter. Everything has jurisdictional limits and even though a yogi may qualify himself (herself) for promotion to a high plane or existence or a higher world, a spiritual environment, still he or she has to get deity sanction and permission. It is not a free for all.

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Bhagiratha wrote:

And what's up with Lord Shiva? Isn’t he supposed to be assisting the yogis with their advancements? Why is he not now available to Swami Shivananda? And what about the Supreme Deity Himself! , couldn't He have allowed Swami Shivananda entrance into the spiritual world?

MiBeloved's Response:

Both Krishna and Shiva are beyond our comprehension and are completely independent personality. Their existence is not designed to qualify our self-aspirations necessarily.

We can expect their individual or mutual support but that does not mean that we will get it in a way which makes sense to us.

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Bhagiratha wrote:

Who really has the final say? Couldn’t Krishna favor this yogi for entrance?

MiBeloved's Response:

Krishna can certainly favor a yogi but only if Krishna determines that he should do that. As great a devotee as Arjuna was refused the revelation of the Universal Form of Krishna, as well as a verbatim repeat of the instructions given on the Battlefield of Kurukshetra. Check the Anu Gita Explained about that. Thus if that can happen to Arjuna, where the deity refuses a request, what should we expect for others?

Note however that the sanction or permission of the deity to enter into a spiritual domain was given already since the beginning of time. The problem is that the yogi has to be fully compatible in vibration to that spiritual place. And even if he is, still then the deity may stipulate that the yogi stay elsewhere.

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Bhagiratha wrote:

Yes, I know his spiritual practice will not be lost, buy why work again to get yourself out, when you have already done that? 

MiBeloved's Response:

You cannot prove some of his spiritual practice won’t be lost. Some of it might be lost and then the yogi has to work in the new life to reestablish that.

There is a statement in the Bhagavad Gita, one about assuring the yogi will not be lost. This was in response to a question by Arjuna about how a yogi may lose in both respects, both in the material social world and in the attainment of siddha status hereafter.

But I am saying that currently, any yogi who takes a body will be subjected to some loss of his advancement.

Persons like Swami Shivananda, do not work to get themselves out of material existence for their own sake. It is done for showing others what must be done to gain release. The swami cannot take a body in the way that others do with total ignorance. He will retain the greater portion of his practice.

His new body would quickly assume the yoga practice habit and others who are in his proximity, may adopt his process and become advanced.

Swamiji is a lineage figurehead guru. These persons are usually assigned their teaching mission for the duration of Age, an era. They expect to get stalled and they have to remain in the astral regions for consultation.

I am not a lineage figure head guru but if I am asked to do something by one of them, I have to comply.

Neo_Yogi 3 years ago

Hello MiBeloved,

You said:

However I just got a message about 4pm Eastern Standard Time (June 7th 2013), where he said directly into my subtle head that as soon as I would leave my body he will take another embryo.

Does this mean that you are going to 'inherit' Shivananda's mission or place in the other realm of existence? Why you?

unlimitedsun 3 years ago

Ordinary religions just ask you to "get your act together" and have that faith, period!

On this yoga the idea seemed to be that you get what you work for; that is an oversimplification. You shape up, workout, for evermore; and then you are subject to supreme favoritism, and or local higher environmental politics/ discrimination.

To me it seems that our goal is not just a matter of simple salvation, or even disrupting samsara but becoming genuinely God-realized regardless of circumstance; particularly when one is not even aware of the eternal nature/ quality of one soul grade. Very different from just taking a shuttle and landing somewhere!

MiBeloved 3 years ago

Neo_Yogi,

Does this mean that you are going to 'inherit' Shivananda's mission or place in the other realm of existence? Why you?

MiBeloved's Response:

Not inherit but serve as an agent and only in certain aspects, not all, only in areas where I mastered particular processes. Swamiji was proficient in every aspect, just about. I specialize only in a few aspects. So in those areas I will fill in to teach some students who need advice.

Neo_Yogi 3 years ago

Ok, I didn't know your connection with Swami Shivananda. After your answer I searched this site and found some interesting accounts about you and Shivananda. It makes sense.

Thanks.

MiBeloved 3 years ago

When I took this body, Swamiji was the one person who kept track of me at the onset and who helped to restore my information about yoga, which is usually lost when one takes an embryo.

Usually a yogi will have another body, a yoga-guru or a fellow yogi may keep track of him when he takes an embryo because then he does not get lost in the tradition and does not completely get influenced by the social circumstances of the family he is born into.

There are many stories of how deceased Tibetan lamas, senior ones, were tracked by other lamas, when those deceased lamas passed on and then took another body. That is the psychic tracking with physical impact in finding the deceased lama as a child in another family. But there is also another more important system which is where there is a continuous tracking and connecting with that deceased yogi by constantly keeping in touch with his transformed astral body which is now in the form of an infant astral form. Swamiji helped me tremendously with that. It was great favor rendered to me, because after all why should a great yogi keep track of anyone's transmigrations. That takes tons of energy and focus. Unless the deceased yogi is worth it, unless he or she is dear to the yoga guru, why should the yoga guru keep track of that?