Reincarnation / Dirty Truth About It

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Date:  Posted 6 years before Dec 06, 2018

 

MiBeloved 6 years ago

Last night in the astral, I was with a relative of mine who is using a body which is about 35 years of age. This person wanted to have a family and was supervising someone’s children.

 

I tried to instruct this person in how to care for children and explain that it is not about fascination with infant bodies. Most parents raise their children in fascination over the way infant bodies operate. This is all well and good when you are ignorant of reincarnation and when you do not understand initially that what you see as an infant is really a full grown adult stuffed into the small bag which is called a child-body.

 

Can you imagine if you were to take a full grown adult with all its privileges and influences, touch it with a magic wand and convert it into a helpless little infant in a crib who has no power, to even walk, no power to even talk coherently, who cannot claim any position in society, who has no authority over anyone else?

 

When we treat infants as innocent little whatevers, that is exactly what we are doing to our ancestors who left adults bodies behind and who were humbled by the reincarnation process to become fully dependent infants again, who cannot even feed their own mouths in the beginning, or even clean their own waste.

 

All their privileges of status, from the last birth were confiscated by nature and were given to someone else, and now they begin again with nothing, no authority over anyone, no money in the bank, no business for a livelihood, no younger relative dependent on them, nothing.

 

Is that the ugly side of the glamorous reincarnation or not?

 

People talk about freedom?

 

What are they talking about?

 

Experiencing the death of old body, seeing the loss of my authority, then coming back in as some parents’ child, having to learn everything all over again, an alphabet, some mathematics, having to do what my parents suggest, having them blackmail me about being a good boy or girl, having them warn me not to have sex unless I am married, having them restrict me from going to parties, having them suggest whom I should marry.

 

This is your idea of freedom.

 

I am no longer going to buy into this cute idea about these freedoms and how I control my next incarnation! Sell it to another customer.

 

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These are some responses to this post on LinkedIn:

 

Narendra Bansal wrote:

Michael,

-- I am completely lost -- what do you want to tell us? It is parent’s duty to guide their children to whatever they believe in. Some small pressure is acceptable for naughty kids. Spare the rod, spoil the child. When kid is grown to 16 years of age, he is like your friend. You can read RamCharitManas to explain something or Gita to explain something but now don't force your ideas. Please let me know -- what you want to tell us.

 

Michael Beloved wrote:

Narendra,

I am speaking of the application of reincarnation to our infants, the transcending of the desire for them to be infants and be nothing else. The view that we may see them as what they are which are adults stuffed into infant bodies.

 

Without knowledge of reincarnation, without understanding who they were in the past life, one can hardly guide them properly, unless one has a very keen intuition which over-rides one’s lack of insight.

 

The person in the Mahabharata named Bhishma told some astonishing stories about the past lives of more than one individual. One which stands out is the past life of the warrior, Shikhandin, who was supposedly the woman Amba in the past life, when she got a boon from Shiva to destroy Bhishma in her future life.

 

Bhishma explained in the Mahabharata how he traced this woman after her final departure from her body and subsequent new birth with resentment towards him in the life as Shikhandin.

 

If we do not know the identity of the past life of our children, then what exactly is the value of our meditation practice, oneness declarations and so on? A small detail like the past life of our children should be with us if indeed, we are advanced meditators posting authoritative opinions on the internet.

 

Can it be that we are self-realized persons who are one with God (one with ??) but we cannot divine the past life of our infants to see who they were and so to raise them in consideration of their past life objective and their present opportunity.

 

There is a big contradiction if we are not figuring in reincarnation in the practical way, like it was demonstrated by Bhishma, and then at the same time we are giving these high sounding opinions about spiritual life.

 

It all begins with reincarnation. At least that is what I got from the Gita, that Sri Krishna established that first in chapter one of the text.

 

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As for the duty of the parents to guide children which you mentioned, well that would depend on the spiritual insight of the parents. What are the parents really doing if there is no such insight? Parents should have for the minimum some intuition which by chance does absorb inspired directions which take care of the karmic package which the infant carried from its past adult life.

 

There is really no such thing as an infant. There is an infant body with an adult being restricted to it, for the time being, until the body reaches maturity.

 

If you grandfather returns as your son, and you are aware of that, would it make a difference on the way you raised him, as contrasted to if you felt that he was just this new infant with no past life, completely innocent with a clean-slate for a mind?

 

Manish Soni wrote:

Michael,

I have gone through you question but not the comment. The situation for which you are talking like taking the birth in the same family, same group. This is very common in reincarnation. When a soul send to born again, that soul try to born in the same family!

 

The reason for that is he knows and loves all family members. In the astral form he recognizes everyone in the family. When he born he lost contact with his Akashik Record where all of his memory is kept throughout the soul's history, because of weak chakras. From 0-7 years that baby uses only root chakra and that develops.

 

The wish to born in a family or other depends on choice of soul. Sometimes, forcefully the soul can be pushed in any physical body, in which he don’t want to be born.

 

This is the procedure for normal souls. Some souls take birth in longer duration of time because of their higher Karma. They work in higher dimensions for centuries and like to born here to show the humanity a particular path.

 

A normal human who haven’t qualify for liberation sent again to scrutinizer. I call heaven/hell place as scrutinizer. That place is secure place and a normal Astral body cannot go inside of that place. That place contains the souls which gets refurbished for reincarnation. Their memory peeled off.. they kept in a container where they have to face a virtualized environment in which they feel heaven or hell according to their Karma. Basically it’s a virtualization of heaven or hell, that place do not exists. The soul itself creates heaven or hell for himself according to Karma.

 

Michael Beloved wrote:

Manish,

I am in agreement with everything you say above except your last paragraph which is pure speculation and is due to not having certain experiences on the astral planes.

 

There are heavens and hells on the astral planes which are real places.

 

There are also ghost police which are really people who can arrest a subtle body and confine it.

 

Just as in this world, people go to a real prison and face a real court which has nothing to do with their self conceptions and imaginations of good or bad circumstances, one can meet such situations in the astral regions.

 

I have astral traveled to such places, and so I cannot buy into your last paragraph but I am with you on the rest of your statement.

 

I would add though that usually the souls escape from having to face hell after death by taking shelter psychically with their living relatives. A hint of this is given in the popular story about Ajamil who when he was to be arrested by ghost police, screamed astrally for his son.

 

In other words, to escape having to face bad consequences for criminal acts performed in the body one used last, a soul may hide in the emotions (affectionate energy) of a relative(s). And then come out again on this physical side as an infant in the same family from the past life.

 

As far as heaven and hell and the reality of that aside from people's imaginations of that, please do not waste your time talking to me about that. My astral experiences in these places makes it impossible for me to listen to your virtual environment statements in that regard.

 

This does not mean that there are no such places as you described. There certainly are such places created by the psychological constructions from an individual's mind but apart from that there are real heavens and real hells.

 

Manish Soni wrote:

I agree with you Michael! I will check out and recorrect!

 

Jivana Kennedy wrote:

Ghost police?

Hmmm?

Really?

 

Michael Beloved wrote:

Jivana,

Social organisation and territorial concerns are not restricted to the physical plane of existence.

 

Wherever in the subtle world there are sentient beings, you will find social organisation, regardless of whether it goes against someone's idealism or not.

 

Manish Soni wrote:

Michael,

how can we know who is whose reincarnation in family? Although I checked out myself in past life using Akashik Records but not my relatives .. never tried. How to do that ...

 

Haley Verrin wrote:

Manish,

I was gifted once or twice by situations in this life which made it clear about the family aspect of reincarnation. Thank you, both to you and Michael; I never heard anyone describe what I "knew" and what you said resonates strongly with me.

 

In my case, it was a time when I was able to listen through the chaos of this existence and hear a message; my daughter in this life has returned to me from another, her stepmother was her mother in that other life and I was the stepdaughter in the same. I was in ordinary consciousness at the time, but in a receptive state and this information was channeled to me through my boss at the time. She "didn't know why" she said it.

 

This was a time in my life when I meditated frequently, lived simply and practiced yoga vigorously. Ironically, it was a time when I had retreated from my family, except my daughter, almost totally.

 

There is more, but I am sure you see where I am going. I have long believed that we choose our parents. Some would be aghast at that, since some parents are oblivious, at best. Whether we choose our incarnation or not, we come back to learn and grow, eh? But not about others; about ourselves. Unless we are Bhodisattva, which I am not.

 

Michael, it makes sense to me that there would be "police" here and other realms; there is nothing new, only recycled ideas. And all realms are connected.

 

What I find fascinating is the idea that a person can escape punishment through reincarnation. This, too, resonates strongly with me. It explains some things I have been wrestling with. Now I have to guard against judging this information in order to learn from it.

 

Michael Beloved wrote:

Manish,

It is like trying to identify Satyajit on another forum.

 

Do you think you can spot him if we went to another forum where he was participating, even if his posts were made under a pseudonym?

 

Or say Von, for instance.

 

I mean these guys have such weird ideas, that we could pick them out in among thousands of ants in a colony.

 

I would point to Satyajit and say, "That's him. I put a million dollars on it. That is him without fail. The guy can't help but go from ant to ant, claiming that he is them and them is he. Nobody else feels that way so strongly."

 

And as to Von, once I found him, I would say, "There he is. Off in a corner. Antenae up.

 

Waiting to pounce on some lonely straggler who is just about to think his way out of the ant colony"

 

Michael Beloved replied to Haley below:

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Haley wrote:

There is more, but I am sure you see where I am going. I have long believed that we choose our parents. Some would be aghast at that, since some parents are oblivious, at best. Whether we choose our incarnation or not, we come back to learn and grow, eh? But not about others; about ourselves. Unless we are Bhodisattva, which I am not.

 

MiBeloved’s Remark:

In the sex you! book, I explained my view on this, based on recent mystic research in many meditations over the past 40 years. I found no evidence in my own taking of this body, going back to the time of approaching to taking an embryo, that I actually choose the parents.

 

However that does not mean that others are not choosing. Perhaps they are. The statement that beggars are not choosers is evidence that there are people who have a choice and there are those who do take what is presented to them.

 

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Haley wrote:

What I find fascinating is the idea that a person can escape punishment through reincarnation. This, too, resonates strongly with me. It explains some things I have been wrestling with. Now I have to guard against judging this information in order to learn from it.

 

MiBeloved Remark:

In this world we experience that persons who are wanted by the law, sometimes become successful fugitives because of assistance of their relatives, and this is regardless of whether the state can prove they are guilty of the crimes mentioned.

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Colleen Dick wrote:

Laugh out Loud. Please include me with them. Their weirdness breathes life into me.

 

Haley Verrin wrote:

Michael,

re: ghost police. It would seem, then, that there are simply different manifestations of the same thing in all the worlds. This is not a new thought, of course, but I offer it to try to explain what I am getting from the idea: everything is a variation on a theme, eh?

 

So, what are your thoughts on the Ghost Police's reach? Can they do anything to call back the errant Spirit Criminal or do they have to hope the laws on this plane can catch up with them (or pounce when they leave their present body)? I wish it was the first posit but maybe I should be "careful of what I wish for"...how do I know they know any more of what they are doing than this cumbersome criminal justice system we have here?

 

It makes sense that the criminals would cry out to family; the blindest of the blind (sorry, not a good day for me).

 

As far as choosing our parents go, I believe you said something in your book about how that is one component of many and is not always successful because of other requirements.

 

It is very interesting to contemplate that there are untold numbers of souls wanting to reincarnate and so they will take any body available (this answers, neatly, the questions many doubters of reincarnation have asked me...I appreciate it!).

 

I suppose it would be a question of "if I had my choice" and then seeing what was possible.