Practice Report; Surya - 09/29/2012:PM

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Date:  Posted 5 years before Sep 28, 2017

unlimitedsun 5 years ago

Sat. - 09/29/2012

PM Practice:

Kryia Yoga session was for 20 minutes, and 10 minutes meditation.

Kundalini was felt in a very physical manner. I was on my knees and applied the locks, as you would if standing. A very intense golden background came up, but then the energy grabbed me and although a lot pressure goes into the locks, I found both my hands moved out of position, and my right hand came in front of me!

When I took note of that I tried to disengage but couldn't. I tried to resume breathing and was only able to as I gasped for air!

I continued the session only a bit and did not solicit kundalini afterwards. As I stood up to go get my eye mask for meditation, I almost fell to the left side, my leg was pulled out place and a wave surged up all the way into my head, but I could feel it more to the left side.

When I sat in meditation immediately there was a bright point to the upper right side. Finer naad was audible as well as outer naad. Meditation itself was done for half the initial intended length as I was very unsettled about the physical handling by kundalini, and could not focus.

The energy could still be felt somehow inside, I was not feeling grounded, so I started eating an avocado to ground myself more. But eventually, I just called Michael. Ultimately, I need to pay more attention in order to control kundalini that is the real key.

MiBeloved 5 years ago

unlimitedsun wrote:

Kundalini was felt in a very physical manner. I was on my knees and applied the locks, as you would if standing. A very intense golden background came up, but then the energy grabbed me and although a lot pressure goes into the locks, I found both my hands moved out of position, and my right hand came in front of me!

MiBeloved's Response:

Any intense golden background or foreground means that kundalini has arisen in full blast before this is perceived and that kundalini has already overtaken the core-self and the buddhi organ, especially if this is perceived in the head of the subtle body,

Thus the application of locks after this has happened will not be executed by the system because the core-self has already lost grips of the buddhi intellect organ and that organ has already lost its command, On any sea-worthy ship there is a captain and a chief mate, just as there is a core-self and an intellect. Now if from down in the engine room, the chief mechanic (kundalini) decided to take over the ship, the captain and chief mate cannot do anything if the mechanic comes up behind them and puts a gun at their heads.

At that point to say something about reaching to ring the alarm is nonsense because the mechanic will be smart enough to blow the captain’s hand off before it can reach the lever.

Once this happens unless you are a kundalini yoga master like Sri Harbhajan Sahib, you cannot control anything because every hand on deck is under the orders of the chief engineer. As the captain you have lost control of the ship and your little token control which you used to have in the bridge of the ship, even that is now taken away by the real big man who used to run things in the power center which is muladhara chakra.

Therefore your first paragraph is a total misrepresentation which shows that you neither understand what the core-self or what kundalini is, nor what their jurisdictions are in the psyche.

Unless one is a master one cannot control kundalini once its blast its way into the brain after it is hit by a good blast of breath infusion and therefore once that happens all attempts to gain control of the psyche are mere gimmicks.

The idea of applying full locks at this stage is total nonsense because the power to do that is just not there with the core-self at this stage. It cannot do so at this stage because its agent of action to do this which is the buddhi, has already been knocked out of commission, shot into a coma by the chief mechanic.

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unlimitedsun wrote:

When I took note of that I tried to disengage but couldn't. I tried to resume breathing and was only able to as I gasped for air!

MiBeloved's Response:

Obviously when one loses control which really means the little token control which one really had, then for sure one cannot direct anything, even in the token way one directed before.

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unlimitedsun wrote:

I continued the session only a bit and did not solicit kundalini afterwards. As I stood up to go get my eye mask for meditation, I almost fell to the left side, my leg was pulled out place and a wave surged up all the way into my head, but I could feel it more to the left side.

MiBeloved's Response:

This happened because the captain was hit in the head by the pistol of the chief mechanic but the captain in his usual intoxication did not pay attention to that and instead was still thinking that he had the ship under control.

At this stage kundalini was in control but the captain being a bit giddy after that gun butt struck him was all too eager to act as if he was still in charge of everything.

Kundalini had not subsided but still this student made the assumption that it did and acted as if the core self was in control. I have told this student before more than once that when kundalini comes up in any which way, with any which force, one should be sure to clamp down the locks as much as one can until one is sure that it has subsided and if one resumes practice, one should be on high alert.

Some advisories are ignored until one gets firsthand experience and one is forced to think everything over and to apply oneself with the advice. The best education is acquired at only one place which is the School of Hard Knocks. All other schools which are funded by the Federal Government are sheer waste of time. Nobody learns anything the easy way.

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unlimitedsun wrote:

When I sat in meditation immediately there was a bright point to the upper right side. Finer naad was audible as well as outer naad. Meditation itself was done for half the initial intended length as I was very unsettled about the physical handling by kundalini, and could not focus.

MiBeloved's Response:

When kundalini courses through the system in its own way, without being channeled by the yogi, then the meditation after will be problematic, because kundalini took control and put everything in its own sense of order which is not the order that the core-self requires. And how will the core-self as the captain run the ship from the bridge without help from the buddhi organ, if that organ (the Chief Mate) is still in hospital recovering slowly from being in a coma.

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unlimitedsun wrote:

The energy could still be felt somehow inside, I was not feeling grounded, so I started eating an avocado to ground myself more. But eventually, I just called Michael. Ultimately, I need to pay more attention in order to control kundalini that is the real key.

MiBeloved's Response:

Being a master of kundalini yogi like Yogi Bhajan is not an ordinary thing. It is not something every and anybody can do. It is not an easy salvation trip religion. If it was as easy as having sex, then there would be no one in the material world because every human being would have long attained it and would be in paradise right now, instead of crawling about like little insects on earth saying to themselves, “I am God! I am as good as God!”

Control the universe?

Forget that!

Just control your little kundalini!

And to think that mergence with the little kundalini has caused this much havoc and disorientation. It is wonder that people are talking about being one with God or with the sum-total energy.

unlimitedsun 5 years ago

Dear God what a baffle,

I feel like a blind man locked up in a room with an African mamba, talking on a phone to try to figure the way out.

The following is more attempt to understand even after so much explanations for so long over so long a period of time. It definitely illustrates for me how essential a teacher is in this practice more than in anything else. But also developing the capacity to understand his instructions.

MiBeloved wrote:

Any intense golden background or foreground means that kundalini has arisen in full blast before this is perceived and that kundalini has already overtaken the core-self and the buddhi organ, especially if this is perceived in the head of the subtle body.

unlimitedsun's Reply:

Oh, sorry; every time I said background in this regard I meant foreground (funny how that turned out). With naad it is still background.

I do feel the energy come up prior to the foreground. I am feeling it, it comes up, the vision then comes up in the foreground. I only feel it coming a couple of seconds before the presentation however.

As of lately the subtle visuals have been seen as low as the upper abdomen. The instance when it was the lowest was one of my first very "physical kundalini" experiences. But it can be extended enough to also be in the face as in front of me as well.

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MiBeloved wrote:

The idea of applying full locks at this stage is total nonsense because the power to do that is just not there with the core-self at this stage.

unlimitedsun's Reply:

My advancement depends on understanding all these. The only sequence I know (I believe) is to pump the system, compressing in. And whence I feel or guess that is done sufficiently, I make the decision to fire the spark, I solicit kundalini, by applying the locks. And then within a couple of seconds I feel the energy rising, then the golden foreground or some darker shimmering foreground presents. At that point I am doing what comes naturally that is to observe it, try to concentrate on it. I probably need to do more or something else, at that point or prior. I must add that naturally when it is intense in a certain way, at least a tinge of apprehension is there as to what is next (that is probably foolish distraction - even if it can be considered part of learning).

So, then things can get out of hand when they get physical, especially when I have to wrestle with the force to let go, because it has taken over my ability to discriminate, and covered up my faculties.

By writing this paragraph above I recall that perhaps a couple months ago I was not getting past the foreground part. At that point already external awareness was lost, systematically. Reflect I can see that gradually I usually go pass that presentation, I can observe it... Now, beyond that the energy started to get physical as I started to post it perhaps a couple of weeks ago. And the force of it from a subtle indication I could quickly brush aside has rapidly moved to downright wrestling with me. I fight to regain control, but kundalini is telling me who is the king in there.

And last night, it imposed its presence throughout for the longest. I was feeling concerned that I might not sleep for hours. But eventually it did settle as I immediately felt exhausted and sleepy with lightheadedness.

Quiet a dramatic learning experience. Undertaking kundalini cannot be just another hobby. I have been and continue to be my own worst enemy. I failed to listen and understand that this is a uncompromisingly holistic domain to be approached comprehensively with sufficient ammunition from reading spiritual manuals, as well as major adjustments to lifestyle, reflecting internalization of interests and their objects.

But the energy is forceful and unpredictable, and my reading not nearly as fast. One is transported by a bicycle, the other by an inconsiderate driver. Keep getting in the ring even before I take the time to build the strength for a fair moment?

If my eagerness paid off, I lacked seriousness and respect, I was cavalier towards the force, and now I am paying the price of perplexity.

Alfredo 5 years ago

unlimitedsun wrote:

[The only sequence I know (I believe) is to pump the system, compressing in. And whence I feel or guess that is done sufficiently, I make the decision to fire the spark, I solicit kundalini, by applying the locks. And then within a couple of seconds I feel the energy rising, then the golden foreground or some darker shimmering foreground presents.]

Alfredo's Reply:

That is also what I do, as well as the experiences that followed, that's why I could not understand Michael's reply as I thought the sequence was correct, meaning that the locks were applied before the system disconnected because of the strike.

It is also correct that no locks or applications thereof would apply or possibly be applied after the strike.

But Surya applied the locks before it, while kneeling. In my case, I apply the locks standing, and then kneel, but I also know that Kundalini can go up while applying the locks kneeling, as it happened to me once.

MiBeloved 5 years ago

Alfredo,

You wrote:

But Surya applied the locks before it, while kneeling. In my case, I apply the locks standing, and then kneel, but I also know that Kundalini can go up while applying the locks kneeling, as it happened to me once.

MiBeloved's Response:

Kundalini does not have to obey what anyone says and can raise at any time. It does not have to rise at the time when the yogi expects it to or at a certain time during a sequence in a specific posture.

In this case kundalini already began to ascend and the student did not know that because of clinging to preconceived notions and clinging to his plan of when kundalini should rise. Subsequently when he applied the locks kundalini was already in control of the system, having taken control before the locks were applied but even that the student did not understand and the student gave a willpower order for the locks which was ignored by the system. The intoxicated student still could not understand that his instructions were ignored.

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unlimitedsun wrote:

Oh, sorry; every time I said background in this regard I meant foreground (funny how that turned out). With naad it is still background.

I do feel the energy come up prior to the foreground. I am feeling it, it comes up, the vision then comes up in the foreground. I only feel it coming a couple of seconds before the presentation however.

As of lately the subtle visuals have been seen as low as the upper abdomen. The instance when it was the lowest was one of my first very "physical kundalini" experiences. But it can be extended enough to also be in the face as in front of me as well.

MiBeloved's Response:

Background or foreground is not important in this case, because in either case it still means that you did not perceive that kundalini was already in the head of the subtle body and had began to take control of the psyche away from the buddhi organ and the core-self.

In fact let face up to one thing which is that you did not properly master the mind lock, a skill which is gained from doing the exercise in chapter one of the Meditation Pictorial book for at least two years, practicing daily to master it.

Subsequently, you do not know what the core-self is, what the buddhi intellect organ is and what the sense of identity is. So you do not know how kundalini controls the system and cannot properly detect its initial advance into the head. You realize kundalini entered long after it has and then it is too late. (In this case 5 seconds is long after)

An atom bomb begins with a very small explosion in the bomb container. This is a very insignificant explosion which by itself cannot even tear apart the metal hull of the bomb and yet once that explosion begins, it is all over.

Suppose we construct such a bomb and somehow accidentally one of us triggers that small explosion then it does not matter how far away we run from the bomb we will be killed.

O yeah, you can say, well it was not the real bomb, it was just the minor detonation but still we will be killed.

Because you are grossly focused, you cannot detect the initial advance of kundalini and this is the problem. Go back in your memory and see if the teacher used to say anything about small rises of kundalini and paying attention to that. Go back in your memory and see if you used to say anything about wanting the big rise which was comparable to sexual climax experience.

Anyway, you will learn in time because you are going to the best institution Nature has to offer which is the School of Hard Knocks.