Naad / Senses Application Kriya

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Date:  Posted 3 years before Dec 01, 2016

 

MiBeloved 3 years ago

This is for those who are doing naad meditation in a real serious way and who can adhere to naad like a man who is glued to a wall with a very strong adhesive.

 

In the neophyte stage of naad, the sound is at a distance or it is all-surrounding and one hears it like that.

 

In the median stage, the person listens to the sound but senses a node(s) which is an origin point(s) or location(s) where it seems that the sound emanates from those places.

 

In the advanced stage the person enters into the node, and this use of the word person is the core-self, which is the center of the existential energies in the individual psyche.

 

The person either enters into a node or gets very close to it and finds that it cannot be penetrated and that it can only be approached up to a certain distance.

 

The person also finds that the core-self becomes resituated in the naad sound itself as if it is pulled into it or located in it in a specific place within its vibration and energy.

 

After listening to naad at least once if not twice per day in meditation and also reaching it at the time of resting, the student finds that only the listening sense is involved in naad. This is a big realization. It comes only after the student experiences the partition of the audial sense from the other five senses of seeing, smelling, touching and tasting.

 

At this stage usually the student is given instructions from a yoga guru either directly from within the mind of the student or by verbal or written instructions.

 

The first instruction is to stay put in naad and to check to see which senses are being used.

 

Is the visual sense being used?

 

What about the touching sense?

 

How about the tasting sense?

 

How about the smelling sense?

 

If these senses are not being used, then where are they?

 

Are they deactivated?

 

Can the student pull any of these senses up and apply it to naad sound?

 

Can naad be tasted, or smelled or seen or touched?

 

If any of these other senses are deactivated, then how could it be activated again and in reference to what?

 

If it is activated can it be deactivated on command?

 

Here is a diagram of what happens when the student is in naad and then tries to use the seeing sense, the vision interest:

 

 

 

Here the vision interest is only applied in the frontal part of the subtle head. The student experiences that it cannot be applied into naad. It is as if only the hearing sense can be applied to naad. There seems to be a distance between the naad zone and the frontal part of the subtle head, as if there is a gap between these areas.

 

At this stage the student should retreat to naad again and try to stay with naad for at least another year of practice, and then he (she) can try again to check to see what is happening with the vision energy.

 

It should be that the vision energy is not found in the frontal part of the head, that it is shut down and is folded up or crystalized as shown in this diagram, where it is very close to the naad zone.

 

 

 

When the vision energy is discovered to be behaving as I just described, then the student should pick it up and use it in the naad sound. The student should not go forward with it. It should be turned on slowly as if a light is increasing in brilliance because the current coursing through the filament is being increased incrementally.

 

Then there will be a white-gold glow of light in the naad zone itself. The student should do this repeatedly over a period of time, for some months and then over time, when this is established the two senses of hearing and seeing will become aligned to naad sound, being reformed from other pursuits.

 

This will be a giant step for the student in high-end meditation.

 

Look at this diagram:

 

 

 

In this diagram, the student after having got the hearing, and then the visual sound aligned to naad, and being able to hold these senses there steadily, will then add another one of the five senses. The first one to add to those original two will be the tasting sense.

 

This is added by pushing the tongue up and back until the tip of it reaches the soft palate. Then when this is done, the student goes into meditation and adheres the core-self to naad while hearing and perceiving in naad with the hearing and seeing senses.

 

After the tasting sense is established, the next sense to dangle with is the touching sense.

 

How do you think this sense should be contacted by the core self?

 

Where is this sense located?

 

What is the means of using this sense?

 

For the seeing sense we have eyes, for the hearing sense we have ears, for the smelling sense we have a nose and for the tasting sense we have a tongue. How are we to invoke the touching senses?

 

What organ is used for the touching sense?

 

devaPriya Yogini 3 years ago

What organ is used for the touching sense?

 

The skin?  or tracing the skins nerve endings into the body, turn the nervous system toward naad?

 

Skin is our largest organ.

 

MiBeloved 3 years ago

How practical is that to work with such a large organ?

 

Have to find a way to focalize it somehow, otherwise the effort will divest consciousness away from the naad instead of invest consciousness in naad.

 

If you have a solution, post it, even in the future.

 

devaPriya Yogini 3 years ago

Why do the senses have to be brought into naad in a particular order?

 

You have hearing, then sight, then taste, then ask which organ would be involved in touch.

 

I have to assume then that smell is the last one then.

 

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You asked how practical is that to work with such a large organ as skin for the touch sense?

 

So size matters here?

 

Size seems relative in these bodies, we seem to working subtly so I'm not sure what the size of the organ has to do with it?

 

Then therefore, do I have to work with each and every part of the eyeball, such as the iris, cornea, pupil, optic nerve etc.. to be able to draw vision into naad? That's the way it translates to me when you say that the skin is somehow too extensive to be worked with like this...but it seems almost less extensive due to its uniformity, it's simplistic, collective covering of the physical structure, it’s not so intricate in some ways as the other sense organs.

 

It’s the essence energy of the sense organ of the skin/subtle skin that would hold the sensual energy of touch.

 

How do you ever touch anything without the skin/subtle skin?

 

How do you smell anything without the nose/subtle nose? ETC.....

 

I would think that in working with any of the sense organs that the whole challenge is the possibility of effort divesting consciousness away from the naad instead of investing.

 

I worked with this in this morning meditation and the skin/touch energy seems overall to be drawn fairly well into naad..taste and smell are more challenging for me to get in there.

 

I look forward to hearing which of our organs is more focalized to touch than the skin..

 

MiBeloved 3 years ago

devaPriya Yogini wrote:

Why do the senses have to be brought into naad in a particular order?

 

You have hearing, then sight, then taste, then ask which organ would be involved in touch.

 

I have to assume then that smell is the last one then.

 

MiBeloved's Response:

 

They do not have to be brought into naad in a particular order. What a student should do is to bring them in beginning with the easiest one which that student can grasp.

 

I listed the order which was easiest for me, but you can bring in your cows in the order that is easiest for you. The point is to get them all in the pasture and get them feeding there on the naad.

 

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devaPriya Yogini wrote:

You asked how practical is that to work with such a large organ as skin for the touch sense?

 

So size matters here?

 

Size seems relative in these bodies, we seem to working subtly so I'm not sure what the size of the organ has to do with it?

 

MiBeloved's Response:

 

It is a challenge question, designed for the student to think about this and to try to wrap the hands around this. Reeling in the senses, getting them contained, directing them in a specific way with a specific focus, is not always an easy task because the senses are naturally dispersal agents. They do become focalize when they find their favorite pursuits, even at the expense of the rest of the body.

 

As for size it matters when the particular sense wants to disperse and I desire to reel it in, then that sense will resist me, and there will be an inner conflict. Or in the case where a sense wants to be focalized, and I want it to disperse away from its focus. Then there is an inner conflict, a pain in the emotional body. Or like when as a child, I was told not to climb the mango tree, and I felt hurt because I wanted to eat the mango. At that time the parent instructed me to withdraw the senses but I wanted to involve them and so there was this severe trauma and I did not like the parent for it.

 

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devaPriya Yogini wrote:

Then therefore, do I have to work with each and every part of the eyeball, such as the iris, cornea, pupil, optic nerve etc.. to be able to draw vision into naad? That's the way it translates to me when you say that the skin is somehow to extensive to be worked with like this...but it seems almost less extensive due to its uniformity, it's simplistic, collective covering of the physical structure, it’s not so intricate in some ways as the other sense organs.

 

MiBeloved's Response:

 

You do not have to work with the eyeball etc. It is the energy which is coursing through the optic nerve which we are concerned with. And then once you got that under wraps, it is the interest energy which is in that energy. So like that you are getting into the very nitty gritty of the thing, the inner part of it, the subtlest part.

 

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devaPriya Yogini wrote:

It’s the essence energy of the sense organ of the skin/subtle skin that would hold the sensual energy of touch.

 

How do you ever touch anything without the skin/subtle skin?

 

How do you smell anything without the nose/subtle nose? ETC.....

 

MiBeloved's Response:

 

--Very good considerations. Let us know if you ever find a solution.

 

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devaPriya Yogini wrote:

I would think that in working with any of the sense organs that the whole challenge is the possibility of effort divesting consciousness away from the naad instead of investing.

 

MiBeloved's Response:

 

Initially it is concerned with shutting down the sense organs. That is the initial objective but once the sense organs are totally shut down and have given up their independent operations, then another practice begins which is their reinstatement as slaves of the core-self.

 

At first a student begins with the core-self being the slave of the senses, but as soon as the revolution is complete, and the core-self has broken the chains of slavery, then it has to get the senses in order as obedient willing servants  and it has to direct them.

 

Please make a check in the Yoga Sutras for the terms kevalam and kaivalyam and see that Patanjali speaks about shutting down and become segregated from the perception equipment and then he speaks about being unified with the purified perception equipment.

 

With criminals, at first one has to arrest them and put them in confinement. But then later one should reform them and let them loose again in society. Of course if they return to their old behaviors, then one will have to arrest them again.

 

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