Kundalini burst without sex charge
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 6 years before Feb 10, 2017
MiBeloved 6 years ago
Sometimes one finds that kundalini is lacking a sex charge due to the sex energy being dissipated in a physical or astral sexual encounter. Then one should still make an effort to raise kundalini. That type of practice is a breach of celibacy and it causes kundalini to be lacking a certain composition.
However one should still practice and should still do a daily meditation. Note that being devoid of sex charge means that the 2nd chakra, which concerns the liquid elements, is unable to deliver energy to kundalini.
john pender 6 years ago
Namaste, Michael. You mention "sex energy being dissipated in a physical or astral sexual encounter" and "That type of practice is a breach of celibacy." At what point does the loss of sexual energy and breach of celibacy occur? For instance I can (1) See a woman and have a habitual thought response of "she's attractive" but then dismiss it because I'm choosing not to dwell on sexual thoughts, (2) dwell on the sexual thought, but not to the point of having an erection, (3) have an erection but do nothing about it, (4) stimulate the erection but not to the point of orgasm, (5) have an orgasm but not ejaculate, (6) ejaculate. A lot of literature on Kundalini stresses the importance (for the male practitioner) of the seminal fluid itself. Also, what is the difference for men and women regarding all of this?
Marcia Beloved 6 years ago
Requesting clarification from Michael:
Michael stated: "if kundalini is lacking a sex charge"
My questions: Why does kundalini need to have a sex charge? Are each of the chakras supposed to energize kundalini, when a yogi attempts to raise it?
Also, please clarify this line of the instruction you wrote beneath the diagram:
"Do not raise it from with a sex charge."
MiBeloved 6 years ago
Marcia Beloved wrote:
Requesting clarification from Michael:
Michael stated: "if kundalini is lacking a sex charge"
My questions: Why does kundalini need to have a sex charge? Are each of the chakras supposed to energize kundalini, when a yogi attempts to raise it?
MiBeloved’s Clarification:
Kundalini always has a sex change but it does not always have a full charge. It can have a minimum charge which is in effect no charge at all. Kundalini derives a sex charge from whatever nutrients is taken into the body as well as the psychic energy taken into the subtle body.
The basic kundalini is only a survival mechanism, like a most basic organism which just tries to survive, like a virus for instance. Its main business is to survive; it is not concerned with anything else initially. Later when it is feels a little safe the reproductive urge develops into it and it splits into more than one virus body and like that those new forms keep up the same behavior.
So at first kundalini is in the father’s body and it is just wanting to survive. It finds however that it can only do that in the father’s form and so it moves into the mother’s form for further development for a more sophisticated means of survival.
In an adult body kundalini maintains this primal survival urge but it also gets interested in reproduction. For that it takes help from the second chakra. As kundalini develops itself it moves from mere survival to reproduction, then it moves to expanded nutrition then it moves to distribution of energy at the 4th chakra, then it moves to expression at the fifth chakra, then it moves to refined perception at the 6th brow chakra, then it move further to cosmic sensual detection at the 7th chakra crown of head.
It is influenced by and influences in turn each of these chakras and their related energy mechanisms.
It is not a matter of needing a sex charge. It has to have that as it develops from mere survival impulse. That is the way it develops. Suppose I say that a hibiscus plant has a charge of energy from its flowers. Then if someone ask of the necessity for flowers, that would not be a very good question. We understand that at a certain stage the plant will bear flowers as a matter of course. So kundalini carries a sex change as a matter of course in the same way. In one sense the plant feeds it flowers and in another sense the flower feeds the plant.
Sex urge feeds kundalini and kundalini itself feeds on the sex urge, even though kundalini produced the urge as it developed.
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Marcia Beloved wrote:
Also, please clarify this line of the instruction you wrote beneath the diagram:
"Do not raise it from with a sex charge."
MiBeloved’s Clarification:
This instruction applies to this specific kriya and not to others. In this specific kriya the yogi tries his utmost to raise kundalini without drawing energy from the sex area to charge it.
Usually in kundalini yoga, sex energy is the main way of charging kundalini but in some special kriyas, one avoids that energy and raises kundalini without it.
There are also occasions when for one reason or the other, the yogi finds that the body has no sex charge. When that happens he or she may have to work harder and longer in the exercises to arouse kundalini. Then when it is aroused in this way, the yogi should take note of the nature of the energy just to understand what sex energy does to kundalini when it infuses kundalini as the main cause of it rising.
These observations are required if one is to advance into higher states. For instance suppose a yogi gets very addicted to raising kundalini with infusion of sex energy, and then what does that mean for him as far as where he will go when the physical body dies.
Will he be able to go where great yogis who have eliminated the sex charge in their psyches reside?
Can a yogi be satisfied in a dimension where the sex charge is totally absent?
So a yogi has to review his progress and try to get these things under his thumb.
MiBeloved 6 years ago
John pender:
Namaste, Michael. You mention "sex energy being dissipated in a physical or astral sexual encounter" and "That type of practice is a breach of celibacy." At what point does the loss of sexual energy and breach of celibacy occur?
MiBeloved’s Response:
There is no breach of celibacy unless one has reached a stage in practice where sexual expression proves to be a setback.
Patañjali has listed celibacy as one of the required practices and so has Krishna and other masters of the masters of yoga, but still unless one reaches a stage where one can notice what sexual expression does to one’s progression, there is no breach.
In kriya yoga there is no one standing over you telling you to do this and do that or not to do this or do that. The most the teacher will do is bring it to your attention that perhaps a certain lifestyle is counterproductive to your yoga aims. Yoga as Patañjali defined it is not for people who need to be propped up by peer pressure.
The whole thing is more like a school affair and less like a guru-savior process, because the student has to study the book, has to practice, has to get checked by the teacher to see if he or she assumes the correct practice.
You know some people told me that study is bullshit. And they are correct, except that they are not talking about Patañjali yoga, because Patañjali was a bookish practical yogi and left instructions in written form about what yoga is and how it is to be accomplished.
Breach of celibacy means that I have observed what sexual expression does to my practice and I do not like those results. Hence I took it upon myself to attain celibacy. Due to that my practice accelerated and my teachers were very appreciative of the advancement made. But then the sexual urge took hold of me again. And as expected, as per my conclusions from before, my practice suffered and there was a lag in my advancement. I felt as if I was going backwards for a bit. So then I checked in my psyche and saw that it was all due to the breach of celibacy.
On the other hand, we should not try to make a sort of martial law about celibacy and tell people crap about stopping sexual expression. Are you crazy or what? That is not going to fly. It would be easier to try to stop the Milky Way from spinning on and on, than it would be to stop sexual expression. One man or one woman in millions might do it but that is so rare that it is something we may brag about.
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John pender:
For instance I can (1) See a woman and have a habitual thought response of "she's attractive" but then dismiss it because I'm choosing not to dwell on sexual thoughts, (2) dwell on the sexual thought, but not to the point of having an erection, (3) have an erection but do nothing about it, (4) stimulate the erection but not to the point of orgasm, (5) have an orgasm but not ejaculate, (6) ejaculate. A lot of literature on Kundalini stresses the importance (for the male practitioner) of the seminal fluid itself. Also, what is the difference for men and women regarding all of this?
MiBeloved’s Response:
There is no difference for men or women because it is the same sexual energy in differing mood as per the gender, and the kundalini is using that energy in either gender.
Unless you figure in ancestral energy, your calculations about sexual expression are terribly flawed.
Let us deal with the first part of your number one, which is this:
John pender wrote: See a woman and have a habitual thought response of "she's attractive"
You cannot see a woman in that way unless someone somewhere somehow has penetrated your psyche and needs a body and then becomes attracted to the woman for the purpose of getting an embryo.
What are we talking about here, sex or reproduction?
We are talking about reproduction. As soon as we strip away man’s interference with the process of nature, we are left with sexual acts between a male and female which more than likely will produce progeny.
Do you honestly think that nature has given you a sex urge for enjoyment? That is a hoax.
But the progeny is there at the end one might say, true.
And I want to add that the progeny is there at the beginning as well.
Erection and its related mechanisms are all designed to get semen into the woman’s tubing for the purpose of reproduction. We intelligent humans are interested in the pleasure of it, and it appears that Nature does not mind, but still Nature’s intention remains reproduction. In so far as Nature will keep on allowing us to take human forms, we may ignore Nature’s purpose and stick to the pleasure part of the these attractions but the truth is that Nature will prevail sooner or later.
john pender 6 years ago
Michael, you say:
"You cannot see a woman in that way unless someone somewhere somehow has penetrated your psyche and needs a body and then becomes attracted to the woman for the purpose of getting an embryo."
What about the sexual urges felt by and for sterile men and barren women? Does this mean that the ancestors are not necessarily able to judge how likely a coupling is to produce offspring?
MiBeloved 6 years ago
You guessed it. It was like that time when I killed a man because I felt he had some money which I needed. He was a rich man but somehow when I broke in and killed him, there was no money in the house. O well, he died for nothing.
As a departed soul needing a body, one perceives the profile of the subtle body and if that subtle body exhibits sexual potential, that is all that one sees. One does not see anything else. Like that time when I took a body from a woman who was not married and who was raped by my father. Or that time when I took that body from my teen-aged mother who was not married to my father and who was stigmatized because she was living in a Christian community in which unmarried sex was taboo.
From the realm of the hereafter all such taboos are not even considered.
Marcia Beloved 6 years ago
When a yogi finally attains celibacy, wouldn't the kundalini always be lacking a sexual charge?
MiBeloved 6 years ago
Kundalini always has potential for survival, acquiring nutrition and then using the stored nutritional energies for reproduction. Reproduce means sex charge.
What we do in yoga is train kundalini to use the energy for promoting increased clarity in psychic perception.
Since kundalini’s basic outlay is survival and reproduction, that potential will always remain intact though a yogi may outsmart the system.
Kundalini has no concern with celibacy. That is unnatural for it. If you check the instructions to Uddhava*, read about the sutram sexually charged cosmic force. It was there in the beginning and it has divine power, so a limited yogi cannot abolish it.
Our existence as we know it now came about after that sexual cosmic charge was initiated by the Supreme Being, so it will not be possible for us to upset it at any stage.
A yogi may ask the Supreme Being for an exemption from the influence of the cosmic sexuality but it is hardly likely that it would be granted to him. Great yogis do sometimes get an exemption and then their highly purified subtle bodies maintain neutrality towards sexual influence. But that is rare.
More or less, so long as one is in these material worlds and their adjacent subtle worlds, one will not be able to be absolutely celibate. Still a yogi has to keep striving for that nevertheless but he or she must be reasonable and accept the restrictions which are imposed by fate.
The trick is to locate loop-holes in the natural sexual and reproduction system and use those but it must be something legitimate which is approved by the Supreme Being or it will result in abject frustration.
Swami Shivananda passed from his physical body long ago, sometime in the 60’s or so perhaps and he was staying in the astral world, recently just last week he transferred to the Brahma world. So he is out of the influence of the sutram cosmic sexual force. Until one reaches that place one cannot be totally exempt from sexual interplay.
Because kundalini is innately attached to sexuality, one has to make a daily effort to twart it away from sexual interest. If one lets up, then kundalini will resume its normal behavior which is full time sexual interest.
* https://sites.google.com/site/michaelbeloved/uddhava-gita-explained
john pender 6 years ago
Michael, you say:
"The trick is to locate loop-holes in the natural sexual and reproduction system and use those but it must be something legitimate which is approved by the Supreme Being or it will result in abject frustration."
Could you elaborate on this?
MiBeloved 6 years ago
Unfortunately, there is no cure all or a savior like in Christianity and other fundamentalist systems. It has to be worked out painstakingly by the individual and it is something that is very complex which involves relationships from many past lives.
It would be much easier to find a cure for the HIV micro-organism than it would be to find a solution to sexual susceptibility.
In the final analysis however each person has to work out his or her exit in a gradual way over a long period of time.
There is no quick fix to this and since this kundalini shakti has grafted itself into the psyche of the individual, and is living along side with the spirit like a good wife or husband, it is near impossible to get a divorce from it.
