Grandmother's House

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Date:  Posted 5 years before Jan 23, 2019

Jettins 5 years ago

Experience #659 from July 12, 2012 called" flying in to grandmother's house" I woke up in the morning thinking that I would like to have an out of body experience. I stay on my bed and attempted to induce. I thought to myself, "I usually try to induce face up in my bed maybe you should try it sideways" the reason why I don't induce sideways it's because I've realized that I fall asleep too fast. I have difficulty being able to relax my body long enough to properly focus my awareness in that position. But today I thought about trying it anyway.

I did not want to use my recliner because I prefer not to use it every day. Using my recliner every day feels like I'm pushing things too much. Sometimes I don't feel it" so I will rather use the bed in these cases. Since I started using it on the 28th it has only failed once to induce an out of body experience out of 10 attempts. It appears that I can keep the average high if I give it some respect.

So I'm in my bed lying down sideways. I felt very sleepy so I knew I would fall asleep very fast. I would have to find a way to keep my mind aware long enough, but I was unable to again. Before I fell to sleep I would say to myself "let go of your body" There was a big gap in consciousness. I find myself in a dream where I am sitting down in a bench using my computer. Then I think to myself," let go of your body". It was very unusual because I was sitting down, so this means the thoughts carried over into my dream. Then I felt the separation as if duplicating my body and coming out of it. I fell to the ground. The separation sensations triggered my lucidity. I stood up and thought to myself," I'm getting good at this".

It wasn't the falling sensation that triggered my lucidity, it wasn't the "letting go of your body" that triggered my lucidity, it was the physically impossible sensation of duplicating and coming out of my body. This is important to realize because the reason why it worked was because of the association in my conscious that originated in my subconscious of how Astral Realms should feel like.

I looked around and I realized I was inside my grandma's house in Honduras. I thought about my grandmother been dead in it freaked me out a little bit because the lights were off. I'm not surprise I would find myself in my grandma's house after yesterday's experience where I went to look for someone's grandma. I walked out of the room towards the living room and noticed my cousins were there. My cousin saw me flying she said to me," you can fly?" Yes you can fly too I replied. I grabbed her hand and showed her that she could float very easily. I let go and said to her," now touch the tip of my finger and try to fly doing so". She did so but was having difficulty staying balanced. I let go and said to her," imagine the pull of gravity is up towards". She slowly started rising up.

I went flying around the house and recognized the layout to be the same as my grandma's house in Honduras. I did not see my grandmother there which I was glad; I was done with grandmothers for the time being. I went flying back to the room to pick up the computer. I brought it with me outside to the porch area of the house. I started to check it to see if there was something interesting in it, I woke up in the process.

MiBeloved 6 years ago

Once you know for sure that you are a subtle body, even more so than you are a physical body, then what is next?

Jettins 6 years ago

Wow, great question. I think I am supposed to figure that out indeed. Maybe in the mean time I can let others know they are subtle body as well. It appears I am inclined to do.

What is next?

What would you recommend?

MiBeloved 6 years ago

Listen, if all there is to this, to existence, is that we are these material bodies, then we are these subtle bodies in a subtle world which is impermanent as well, which changes whimsically, then this is definitely a psychotic existence.

Just imagine that the universe has to go for another 13 billion years, as our astronomers are estimating right now, and if we are going to live like this for that period of time with so much loss of memory during manifestations, then this is really a raw deal.

We have to investigate this thing seriously and leave aside the child's play.

Playing with silly little toys by a beach is real serious stuff for children but really is that it?

Jettins 6 years ago

MiBeloved wrote:

We have to investigate this thing seriously and leave aside the child's play.

Jettins' reply:

I agree with everything you say. It is silly and psychotic. It's probably better some lose their memory in the astral because their psychotic existence from their memories would make it much worse. I've often wondered how long I could be in a place before going absolutely psychotic myself.

So what is the secret to retaining your memory, your sovereignty and your sanity in the Astral Realms indefinitely?

MiBeloved 6 years ago

Jettins' query:

So what is the secret to retaining your memory, your sovereignty and your sanity in the Astral Realms indefinitely?

MiBeloved's Response:

Just as you have broken out of the prison of material existence by transcending the material body, by realizing yourself as the psychology which inhabits the body, so now you need to break out of the prison of the subtle existence of the subtle body.

There is a subtler psychology which is subtler than the subtle body, so the next development is to get your hands on that.

But in the meantime, expanding on your perception of what is subtle should continue.

When the physical body is awake, you know that within it there is the subtle body which can slip out of it in an astral projection. Take this information to investigate the subtle body.

Jettins 6 years ago

MiBeloved wrote:

There is a subtler psychology which is subtler than the subtle body, so the next development is to get your hands on that.

Jettins' reply:

Interesting. OK, I have a question on this. Is this subtler psychology which is subtler than the subtle body pure consciousness that does not exist with a physical like astral representation? A type of boundless form? How would this psychology feel or be like?

Thanks in advance, you are of great help.

Alfredo 6 years ago

Once we discussed the ability claimed by certain occultists, like the Mother once, of being able to double out several times the subtle body in the vital (astral) world.

But I believe in this case, the subtler psychology that Michael is referring to is that of the causal body, perhaps the rarest of substances available to us at this point. It is apparently the objective of the Siddha to go to the realm(s) where this substance is paramount. Thus it becomes a necessity to understand this realm and how to attain it.

Whether that substance can be called pure consciousness or is a derivative of it, I would like to know.

Jettins 6 years ago

Yes, I would like to know all about that Alfredo, Thanks for the information. I would like to know how this casual body you refer to Alfredo would manifest itself in physical like dimensions in the astral, or if this form of existence is completely shielded with interactions with other dimensions of being in the astral realms.

Thanks.

MiBeloved 6 years ago

Jettins’ inquiry:

Is this subtler psychology which is subtler than the subtle body pure consciousness that does not exist with a physical like astral representation? A type of boundless form? How would this psychology feel or be like?

MiBeloved's Response:

I do not like the word pure in relation to consciousness. Every half-baked yogi, every phony New Ager out there is using this pure consciousness terminology, to such an extent that it has absolutely no meaning whatsoever.

So we get some liquid from the New York City sewers, is that pure liquid? Is that pure pollution?

If you are coming from the dirty side of existence, then how will you define pure? Are you qualified to do so? I live in the dumps. My meals are taken from the garbage left in the alley by others. Is that pure food or not?

This word pure is not a nice word. It is a cover for what is unknown? It is a way of passing off an experience as being something which is sublime.

Let us run this query again with a few semantic changes:

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Is this subtler psychology which is subtler than the subtle body a type of consciousness that does not exist with a physical like astral representation?

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Let us begin where we are which is with the material body. This body does have numerous phases, as to when it is happy, when it is sad, when it is healthy, when it is ill, when it is lazy, when it is energetic, when it is in infancy, when it attains puberty, when it is mature adult, when it is elderly. These are all stages of this very same material body.

In the same way the subtle body has various stages. There are very high stages with the highest type of subtle energy, a median stage and a stage of very dense astral energy. It is the same body but it feels different according to the stage it is in, just as the physical body can feel enlivening when it is energetic and healthy, and it can be a drag when it is fatigued and unhealthy.

However inside the subtle body are a core-self and its adjunct psychic perception tools. An investigation into that is a completely different objective since it would require turning in on the inners of the subtle body to see what it contains, to see what maneuvers within it and what within it motivates.

It is best that you commit yourself to that investigation and then report as you go along. As you report we can get some idea of how your self realization will progress and can give you pointers along the way.

The map of the psyche was already drawn by persons like Krishna. So as you go along we can show you the junctions, the main towns and so on and you can see where your experience fits in with the broader definition of what a psyche is.

Take a look at these verses from Bhagavad Gita:

Arjuna said: Then explain, O family man of the Vṛṣṇis, by what is a person forced to commit an evil unwillingly, just as if he were compelled to do so? (3.36)

The Blessed Lord said: This force is craving. This power is anger. The passionate emotion is the source. It has a great consuming power and does much damage. Recognize it as the enemy in this case. (3.37)

As the sacrificial fire is obscured by smoke, and similarly as a mirror is shrouded by dust or as an embryo is covered by skin, so a man's insight is blocked by the passionate energy. (3.38)

The discernment of educated people is adjusted by their eternal enemy which is the sense of yearning for various things. O son of Kuntī, the lusty power, is as hard to satisfy as it is to keep a fire burning. (3.39)

It is authoritatively stated that the senses, the mind and the intelligence are the combined warehouse of the passionate enemy. By these faculties, the lusty power confuses the embodied soul, shrouding his insight. (3.40)

Thus regulating the senses initially, you should, O powerful man of the Bharata family, squelch this degrading power which ruins knowledge and discernment. (3.41)

The ancient psychologists say that the senses are energetic, but in comparison to the senses, the mind is more energetic. In contrast to the mind, the intelligence is even more sensitive. But in reference, the spirit is most elevated. (3.42)

Thus having understood what is higher than intelligence, keeping the personal energies under control of the spirit, uproot, O powerful man, the enemy, the form of passionate desire which is difficult to grasp. (3.43)

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Jettins’ inquiry:

A type of boundless form?

MiBeloved's Response:

Boundless? What does that mean? How can the individual self be boundless? The very word individual means limited. Something which is limited cannot be boundless.

It may be free from the material constraints when it is released from being linked with that but that does not mean it is boundless.

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Jettins Inquiry:

Yes, I would like to know all about that Alfredo, Thanks for the information. I would like to know how this casual body you refer to Alfredo would manifest itself in physical like dimensions in the astral, or if this form of existence is completely shielded with interactions with other dimensions of being in the astral realms.

MiBeloved's Response:

The causal body is not a body in the sense of the physical or astral body. The causal body does not have limbs and senses like the physical or astral form. Causal body has one sense which is just sensing. There is perception there but it is all subjective. There is communication thee but it is also subjective. There are desires there but all in compressed seed form without the ability to manifest or burst out.

Using Jettins words, it is a non-form of existence which is completely shielded from interactions with other dimensions of being in the astral realms.

So in that sense it is not a body.

It is the source of the astral realm, of the astral body but it does not convey itself into the astral world which is its production.

In this case of the question as to which came first, the chicken or the egg, the answer is that the egg came first and then the chicken. But the egg came from the causal body which compared to the egg is a space of nothingness. It is the essential and yet it is not a manifested anything.

It is something for sure, and yet it refrains from distinction and remain as the unmanifested source.

Jettins 6 years ago

Ok.

When I said pure consciousness, I meant consciousness without a body. It wasn't meant to describe the type of it. That was my question.

Jettins wrote: A type of boundless form?

MiBeloved wrote: Boundless? What does that mean? How can the individual self be boundless? The very word individual means limited.

Jettins' reply:

When I said boundless I was trying to describe a consciousness without an astral form. For example a presence such as when a voice telepathically speaks to you when no astral form is defined. When I asked the question I was referring to a subtler psychology which is subtler than a subtle body and not an "individual" per say. I was trying to find words to comprehend what this subtler psychology could be like.

but I see now what you’re saying about this subtler body, this makes sense.

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