Gathering the Light

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Date: Posted 3 years before Aug 31, 2016

MiBeloved 3 years ago

The gathering of the light kriya seems to be working but I will have to put it to the test some more before I can vouch for it as a precursor to manifestation of mystic perception, either through the third eye, the buddhi intellect orb, the sense of identity vision or the core-self direct vision

Whatever we heard of from the past, which yogis did successfully and which just does not work today, should be scrapped and not be given to students as a functional process. One mistake that may be committed is to not realize that the descriptions of what yogis did in the past may be incomplete, where some details of what they did were not mentioned for one reason or the other. And this means that we have to chart out this process all over again from scratch and be sure to take notes all along the way if we want to have the whole picture.

So far I can recommend the breath infusion as the beginning process but it has to be done to proficiency where just about every last drop of apana carbon dioxide gas is removed from the physical body as the corresponding subtle negative energy is removed from the subtle body. That is step number one.

Step number two is to sit to meditate and then to immediately observe the status of the energy of the psyche as to how it was charged by the breath infusion and as to where the energy is coursing through the subtle body.

Step number three is to adhere to naad sound.

This naad sound practice has to be done for weeks, months and even years, all depending on the individual’s success with it.

Once the core self can adhere to naad sound, so that this seems to be the natural thing to do, where it is done automatically and where the self feels as if it is getting nutrients from naad like an infant suckling on its mother’s breast, then this practice reaches the full stage and then the next step is committed.

For those who do not hear naad, their secret to success is to adhere to the back of the subtle head, away from the frontal part. They will develop an adherence or attraction to the back of the subtle head and this will give the same result as hearing naad, because that is a way of hearing naad for those who do not have a strong hearing impulse. This feeling impulse for being at the back of the subtle head is a version of naad adherence.

Step number four is to remain adhering to naad or to the back part of the subtle head while looking forward. But as soon as one looks forward if the frontal part of the subtle head shifts into its usual images-thoughts-ideas mode, one should abandon the advance forward and return to the back of the head. One should keep doing this in the meditation day after day until when one goes forward the usual mental activity does not take place there.

Periodically when one goes forward there might be supernatural perception but it will be momentarily lasting for seconds for the most. This is a good sign and shows that Patanjali is not an egghead, and that he knew what he was speaking of when he advised in the second sutra:

Yogah cittavritti nirodhah

That yoga commences as a standard practice, when in the mind of the student, there is complete absence of normal mento-emotional gyrations.

Step number five is the crucial stage. As far as I can see after doing this researches for over 40 years and following the systems of various gurus, this is the missing aspect.

Srila Yogeshwarananda gave me the instruction for this gather of the light, which I have listed elsewhere as the crab kriya. This is in contrast to the tortoise kriya which is mentioned in Bhagavad Gita which is the pratyahar sensual energy withdrawal practice, fifth stage of yoga. In the tortoise kriya, the student pulls in the sensual energy which usually courses out of the psyche. This is the energy from within the self’s aura which goes out of the aura into the environment.

The tortoise kriya is a big deal for beginners but it is just elementary for advanced students. The reason is that initially the student is apt to think that the problem has to do with the sensual attractions in the external physical world. Later the student sees that the problem has to do with the external subtle or astral world. And then again the student sees that this more advanced conclusion is crap.

The student then sees that the problem has to do with what is in the psyche of the self, irrespective of the physical or astral existences.

The crab kriya means coming to terms with this understanding about the problem being in the psyche of the self and not in the external physical or astral existences.

In the tortoise kriya, the student gathers the outpouring of energy which leaves the sense of identity and goes out into the surrounding part of the psyche. Because of the mastery of sensual energy withdrawal from the material and astral worlds, the outpouring of energy leaves the core-self and goes onto into the psyche of the self without going out beyond the aura of the self, and this problem has to be settled. This energy when it is gathered and drawn down upon the core-self, appears to convert into supernatural vision.

I will have to do some more research on this to give more reports and to confirm this further.

Chasing after third eye vision is a serious mistake for the aspirants but it seems that they were destined to waste years seeking success with that through focusing on the brow chakra directly.

Who can stop inexorable fate?

Who can protect another from wasting lives with a useless practice which was fated?

Marcia Beloved 3 years ago

MiBeloved wrote:

Marcia Beloved's Reply:

Very glad to hear this. This substitution is something any yoga student can cultivate. I rarely hear naad and when I do, it is not a steady occurrence. I figured there would be an alternative but have never heard it stated affirmatively like this. In past years I was discouraged when my personal experience did not or could not line up with the direction of MiBeloved's practice. Eventually I came to understand how personal yoga practice is and that guidance and progression are always there if one sincerely practices.

MiBeloved 3 years ago

Yoga practice has to be tailored to the individual student because over time, one has developed a particular type of sensual proficiency and a particular type of sensual deficiency.

There is no exception to this. Each person develops a certain sensual edge and a certain sensual deficiency while transmigrating. I was just walking with a few small dogs. One of the dogs was really crazy about some tall grass and yanked on the lease. The other dog was totally indifferent to it but was mad about smelling the edge of a sidewalk.

These two animals are in the same general canine species and still they have such different interest which their senses compel them to pursue.

In doing kriya yoga one should aim for location more than anything else. This is something which I tried to explain to Sir Paul way back in 1973 when we first met, where I said essentially that one has to have confidence in what is abstract if one was to be successful in yoga.

Much of what we aim for in advanced meditation is abstract, which means that these are subtle or spiritual objects which we cannot grossly perceive. Meditation is not science where you show gross evidence and then you gain credibility to fund the rest of your research.

There is no funding here except for your need to practice, and since it is abstract you have to aim for things which just do not exist on the physical plane. If you cannot find such things, then you can find their location or hear of their location and from that you can target them.

Naad sound is mostly heard in the back side of the subtle head. It may also be mostly on the right or left back side, all depending on which side a person is more keenly attuned to.

Now if you cannot hear naad, then you might ask the question as to which side should I adhere to.

But only you can give the answer to that by going into meditation and then going to the back of the head and then checking to see which side of the back your core-self usually adheres to. There will be frequent movements to a certain side and that would be the side to adhere to.

Even if one does not hear naad one can find the node or vortex of naad by remaining there and just seeing how one is pulled or is attracted to a certain blank place.

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Let us look at another example. One member of the forum has recently within the past 3 months listened to naad sound consistently and with a very clear and rich tone. Suppose when he enters meditation in the next session, then naad is not heard by him.

In that case all he needs to do is to go where naad was heard most regularly before. This is called meditation by location. It is very easy if you step back and consider it.

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I used to explain to Sir Paul about the buddhi intellect organ, and to tell you the truth I have no idea if he ever did get what I was saying. Essentially I said that wherever imagination and thinking occurs in the subtle head, that is where the buddhi psychic mechanism is located.

Yes, you cannot see it. Okay.

But you have to have faith in what I said, that wherever that is, that is the buddhi intellect organ. It is invisible to you and that is alright. Why tell yourself that until you can see it, you won’t believe in it.

What sort of thinking is that? How are you moving through life without belief? It is not possible for any of us to move through life without belief. We must use belief every step of the way. Does belief have hazards?

Belief certainly has hazards but that does not mean that we can live without using it. Governments make mistakes, and sometimes colossal mistakes which causes masses of the people to die, and still we must have governments. Mothers and fathers are crap and are full of mistaken notions, and still we have to have them to continue the species. So belief is not something we can trash completely.

I stated that I saw the organ there at the place of where there is thinking and imagination and that is all you need to know for now until you can experience that objectively. But you can use my information free of charge and make advancement in meditation. That is the gist of it. Belief is very useful on occasion, even though it has proven itself to be a serious problem for the human race. Many things are like that.

Just to face tomorrow we have to exhibit belief that this existence which is hairy scary will be here for us to continue. Science says that this existence will be mothballed in some 15 billion years. The whole thing will be done as far as they are concerned. So it is not that this thing is so real. And yet we have to believe that it will be here tomorrow.

The sun will rise tomorrow. I do not know that but still I have that belief. So belief cannot be scrapped. We have to take support from it because we are relative beings dependent on so much for our continuation.

Relative beings are not worthy of living without belief. It is not their station because they are not absolute. Existence means me and belief, walking together hand in hand just as if we were going to be here forever, which of course is not true but it is what existence provided as the complement to our insufficiency.

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The titanic is disconnected from the pier and it is on its maiden voyage. Everyone is happy about it. People in the luxury suites are drinking and dancing through the night. They believed that it was unsinkable. But then providence messed up the whole thing, thinking, “I will teach these fools something.”

So that is an example of how belief messes up humanity, and still we cannot get rid of belief. We still need it. Every other cruise ship is loaded with people who have the same belief. Recently with the Concordia which turned on its side, the same thing happened. So life is alerting us to the fallacy of belief but it is not releasing us from the relative status, which means that it is saying from one side of its mouth that we must use belief and it is saying on the other corner of its mouth that belief is faulty.

Jettins 3 years ago

Hello. Yesterday I was thinking. Why is it that when I am sleep deprived NAAD seems to blast the loudest?

I also noticed that squinting my eyes seems to amplify NAAD sound. And now that I am talking about it I can't stop hearing it.

Thanks.

MiBeloved 3 years ago

Jettins' wrote:

Hello. Yesterday I was thinking. Why is it that when I am sleep deprived NAAD seems to blast the loudest?

I also noticed that squinting my eyes seems to amplify NAAD sound. And now that I am talking about it I can't stop hearing it.

MiBeloved's Response:

Maybe you should get your head checked at the nearest UFO clinic. Obama may have you covered in obamaCare.

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Naad sound is heard the loudest if one is in a lonesome place, especially places which are not inhabited by human beings. Naad can be deafening in such places, where it is like a blaring sound coming from all directions in and out of the psyche.

When a person is sleep deprived, that person is forced over to the astral side even if the physical body remains fully awake. Because the mind has shifted over to the psychic side, the person will hear more of naad and may also see things. Hallucinations of real astral worlds and dimensions might flash across the person’s vision.

This happens because as soon as you sleep-deprive the physical body, the kundalini which is the psychic mechanism which controls the sleep wake cycle makes repeated attempt to do what is natural which is to push the observing self out of contact with the physical body, to the astral side, either by putting the physical system to sleep or by causing the observing self to begin perceiving through subtle senses.

A similar thing happens if a person does an extreme dietary fast.

Kundalini attempts repeatedly to disconnect the astral body from the physical one and sooner or later it achieves its aim because no one in these dimensions can remain awake continuously forever.

Squinting the eyes may cause intensification of naad sound and also if one clamps down on the right or left jaw one might hear naad sound more intensely if one holds the jaws clamped by the right or left ear.

The main thing is to develop a cordial and very loving relationship with naad and that will cause an increase in subtle perception over time.

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If one finds naad to be a nuisance sound, that means that one is not doing a quality or deep meditation and that the subtle body is on a low astral level. When the subtle body is on a higher level, naad sound appears to be pleasing, appear to be very loving to the yogi.

Jettins 3 years ago

MiBeloved wrote:

Maybe you should get your head checked at the nearest UFO clinic. Obama may have you covered in obamaCare.

Jettins’ Reply:

That's funny. I was thinking I was going a bit nuts too. But I wouldn't have it any other way. It makes sense about what you say with being sleep deprived.

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MiBeloved wrote:

If one finds naad to be a nuisance sound, that means that one is not doing a quality or deep meditation and that the subtle body is on a low astral level.

Jettins’ Reply:

Very interesting information there. A type of gauge that can be used to determine ahead of time were the subtle body is at. I don't practice listening to naad, but maybe I should. I don't have a problem listening to it the few times I track for it, I think because I am used to listening to delta sound frequency waves. It's a lower pitch and it sounds more like static. Sounds don't really bother me, unless it's television propaganda.

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bandika 3 years ago

I would like to ask here a few questions:

If I have understood well, supernatural vision is possible when somebody gathers enough energy in his/her psyche. The key point of that is the sensual energy withdrawal which is detailed in step five. I guess, the techniques in the first chapter of Meditation Pictorial have similar purpose. But how do I know if I have gathered enough energy? Does supernatural vision happen automatically?

I have been practicing those techniques for some weeks. I can reach a stage when I feel that I am in the center of my mind, and more or less independent from my body. I have described that in a previous topic.

http://www.inselfyoga.com/m/forums/topic/Head-Infusion-Vision-Interest-Retracted

However I am not able to perceive any light. It happened just for the first time. Is it because I didn’t gather enough energy?



MiBeloved 3 years ago

bandika wrote:

If I have understood well, supernatural vision is possible when somebody gathers enough energy in his/her psyche. The key point of that is the sensual energy withdrawal which is detailed in step five. I guess, the techniques in the first chapter of Meditation Pictorial have similar purpose. But how do I know if I have gathered enough energy? Does supernatural vision happen automatically?

MiBeloved's Response:

The procedure in chapter one of Meditation Pictorial is for elementary pratyahar sensual energy withdrawal. That is not the same practice as being described here. The reason for this differentiation is that initially the student cannot know what the buddhi organ is nor the sense of identity or the distinct segregated core self. Initially the entire head of the subtle body is regarded as the self or core self. For instance people usually speak of going into the self to meditate but actually that is not possible like that, they are misidentifying the psyche or existential compartment as the self in that case.

There is no self like that which is a psyche. The entire subtle body, (head, trunk and limbs) which is used in the astral world is the psyche of the self. But initially it is regarded as the self. Then when one begins to meditate, one isolates the head of the subtle body and in some cases, some persons claim the chest region of the subtle body as the self.

But in either case that is not correct because the head of the subtle body is a compartment which contains various components of which the self is only one of the supernatural objects.

Chapter one of Meditation Pictorial is where one should start because to be honest, initially one cannot sort the psyche objects and must by necessity of existential ignorance regard the whole thing as the self even though the whole thing is really a chamber in which the self and other supernatural components are existing.

A layman, to be practical, because of ignorance, must see a jet aircraft as just one thing even though in fact it is made up of numerous parts. The technician cannot afford to see the plane like that otherwise the plane would crash. The technician has to differentiate the various parts of the machine and know how to calibrate and maintain each part in a specific way.

If you are doing chapter one of Meditation Pictorial, then please check your practice and then ask questions about what that is and do not mix it with this. I could help you in that way, otherwise there will be confusion which will not help you to progress.

In that practice there is no aim for supernatural vision. In that practice the main thing is to first feel the energy which courses outwards away from the center of the head into space, and to pull back that energy into the self. The whole meditation then has to do with this constant pulling back of that energy which goes outwards. In the Bhagavad Gita there is a verse where Krishna describes this practice comparing it to a tortoise pulling in its limbs.

Instead of perceiving light in that case, one perceives invisible energy and feels the movement of it coursing outwards and also feels a restraining force which one applies to pull it back in. Light in this case is feelings.

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bandika wrote:

I have been practicing those techniques for some weeks. I can reach a stage when I feel that I am in the center of my mind, and more or less independent from my body. I have described that in a previous topic.

http://www.inselfyoga.com/m/forums/topic/Head-Infusion-Vision-Interest-Retracted

However I am not able to perceive any light. It happened just for the first time. Is it because I didn’t gather enough energy?

MiBeloved's Response:

You do not perceive any light when you do this practice from Chapter One of Meditation Pictorial.

Well you know what?

That is all the merrier!

That is great!

That is success. Because you are not supposed to perceive light when you are doing that practice. It has nothing to do with light. It has all to do with pulling in the energy which courses outwards from the aura of the psyche, so that this energy is no longer being forced outwards but instead is pulled inwards.

The filament of an incandescent light is not concerned with light. It produces light and still it has no concern with seeing the light it produces. Its concern is with feeling its energy going outwards or coming inwards. To it, light is feeling only.

So after you have done this practice for about three years, then we can talk about going to the light perception stage which is a totally different matter.

Thanks for doing this practice. Many who read that book, just skim over chapter one and read more exciting things which are elsewhere in the book. They do not want to do some boring practice like in chapter one. But you have the proper instinct and so you might one day become a yogi of value.

Good luck!

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One bad feature about this forum, Meditation Time is that we have both very advanced practice as well as kindergarten level. We are sorry about that. However we are squeezed for time, so like that we have all levels in one classroom. To someone who is learning that 1+1=2, hearing about 1+1=0 is very confusing. We understand that.

Stop listening to the statements made by the teacher to the advanced students because otherwise you will become disoriented. Read the advanced posts as something which is science fiction. Later these will make more sense.

Take care of yourself, which means ask question which apply to your practice. Do not be afraid to stand up and ask about what you need to know in terms of your level of practice.



bandika 3 years ago

Thank you, your explanation is helpful.

I’m a bit confused, because in the first exercise of Chapter One there is a step of establishing a singular optic blast to the point between the eyebrows. I attempted to do that as well –as a part of the whole practice- with the expectation of opening the third eye. Unfortunately I had some difficulties with that because I realised that during this movement I always start to use my (closed) physical eyes and looking forward with them to an imaginary point in the distance. So now it seems hard to send any energy there while I feel myself being in the center of my head, even I can’t locate or feel the area between my eyebrows during that.



MiBeloved 3 years ago

bandika wrote:

I realized that during this movement I always start to use my (closed) physical eyes and looking forward with them to an imaginary point in the distance.

MiBeloved's Response:

It is not easy to extract and isolate the supernatural energy which is combined into the physical optic nerves and the physical eyes. Nature designed the body in a way where the physical reality, forcibly captures and holds the attention of the self. Even though that attention energy is supernatural, still because nature has captured it, it has difficulty releasing itself or extracting himself.

Understanding this intellectually helps because at least the student can then be on the lookout to experience the separation from the physical but this may not happen overnight. Some students get the experience immediately. Others practice for years and then get the experience. And there are others who even after years are unable to split off the two energies.

If you are born as the son of slave, then you are a slave automatically even if you have some idea that you have potential to live as a free citizen. You may know that from day one and still not have the power to free yourself. In which case, you may spend your entire life time in captivity. If this is hard to imagine, just look at the way humans keep animals in pens and limited pastures for the duration of the life of the animals.

The idea that because I know about something, my problems with it, are all over, is not applicable with everything.

The exercise in chapter one of Meditation Pictorial which has to do with the optic nerves should be done day after day, until one experiences the breakaway of the supernatural force from the optic channel for a sustained period of time.

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bandika wrote:

So now it seems hard to send any energy there while I feel myself being in the center of my head, even I can’t locate or feel the area between my eyebrows during that.

MiBeloved's Response:

There is a part of yoga which is sometimes called atmayoga which means yoga practice for discovering and being the spiritual self (atma).

When you are situated in the central consciousness in the head of the subtle body, and you are not in contact with the other components of consciousness, then it said that you are experiencing soul consciousness.

In that state there is no contact with anything else but there you are experiencing at least two realities, namely:

Individual spiritual self

Sense of identity

But these are fused to one another, so that the individual spiritual self cannot easily realize itself as distinct from the sense of identity.



bandika 3 years ago

Okay, I start to understand better the concepts behind these practices. I would have a last question for that: Is there any significance of the presence of thoughts while practicing the third eye focus technique? In other words, is it important to calm the mind completely before starting that?



MiBeloved 3 years ago

bandika wrote:

Is there any significance of the presence of thoughts while practicing the third eye focus technique?

MiBeloved's Response:

Ideally thoughts/images and ideas which relate to the material world should not be present during meditation practice. This is the idea of Patanjali. It is mentioned in Krishna’s instructions to Arjuna and Uddhava.

So the question is:

If there is supposed to be no thoughts/images and ideas which relate to the material world then what should the student do if such thoughts do arise and if he or she cannot command that there be no ideas during the meditation session?

If we attempt to answer this question we will be in serious trouble, because then we are contradicting the statement of the authorities. There was a lineage guru in one of the spiritual societies having to do with Krishna. He said that it was not possible to quell the mind completely. Therefore he said that one should chant holy names and engage the mind like that.

But this instruction goes against the grain of the degree of control described by Krishna in chapter 2 of the Bhagavad Gita.

As soon as we say that we will have to live with thoughts and that we will have to use some makeshift system even chanting holy names to get rid of thoughts or to at least sanctify thoughts and force the mind to think in a religious way, then we are saying that Patanjali, and Krishna even, were giving us impractical advice and describing utopian states of yoga, which no one can ever attain. You can see that this is very troublesome,

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Therefore instead of doing this, we have to go back over the instruction to see if we missed something in the fine print. That missing something is the practice of pranayama.

If you learn now how to do pranayama properly, then you will not have to deal with these thoughts, images and ideas about the material world.

The mind will be vacant of that because the pranayama will shift it to a plane of existence where those ideas do not occur as a natural course. When riding in airplanes there is turbulence which is very uncomfortable. It shakes the aircraft. But if the pilot can relocate the plane to a different altitude where there is no turbulence, then the vibration stops.

If he cannot relocate the plane, then he has to apply stabilizers and get the passengers to bucket up because there is nothing that he can do to control the turbulence. Therefore the best way to deal with it is to change altitude.

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bandika wrote:

In other words, is it important to calm the mind completely before starting that?

MiBeloved's Response:

It is important to calm the mind completely before starting the meditation but that is true only if you can actually calm it. If you cannot then you should go ahead and meditate as best as you can.

The pilot must keep flying the aircraft even though he does not have an engine which has the required power to elevate the plane to a level where there is no turbulence.

The best thing is to return to the ground level and install a better engine but if you cannot do that, then you should go on with the turbulence and do your best in it.

Do pranayama if you can and let that shift the subtle body to a higher plane, but if you cannot do that, then meditate anyway and realize that you will have to tolerate the impediments.



bandika 3 years ago

Thank you!