Females / Honey-Pot Effect

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Date:  Posted 5 years before May 17, 2018

MiBeloved 5 years ago

Some females have what is called the honey pot effect, where in the subtle body, the lower part of the trunk, from the waist down has a subtle jell which accumulates over time so that in the lower subtle trunk, there is a jell-like substance which is a pleasure energy.

If such a female gets a material body, then this system of jelling mirrors the month course for reproduction, where it fills up with this jell at a certain time in a lunar month, and then it drains out at a certain time.

For the purpose of kundalini yoga, this system of nature is used so that when it is not being drained out as during the menstrual discharge procedure, the yogini draws up, dissipates and absorbs this energy into the higher parts of the subtle body into the subtle chest under the shoulders, into the neck and the head of the subtle body.

If this is done proficiently then there is a great ease and the run effort for sexual excitement decreases considerably. The hours spent preparing for, interacting with sexual exposure and sexual receptions become greatly decreased and much energy is conserved for shifting the interest to the spiritual plane, where there are spiritual sexual fulfillments which are the ideal replacement for the sexual liaisons in the puppy love world.

In the kundalini yoga practice, the problem of having a spiritual sexual partner is not easily solved. In fact in the kundalini yoga practice, two methods are self-tantric or inside dual tantric. Self tantric means working alone to acquire sexual nourishment from the energy in the individual psyche. This is a hard achievement done after becoming very proficient at getting rid of the polarity of kundalini. Because of this, this is usually a very impractical aspect to strive for.

The best outlook is the inside dual tantric which is where the yogini (female ascetic) connects with a yogi (male ascetic) within her individual psyche and gains the fulfillments in that way without any physical satisfaction. This is a total shift of focus into the subtle body, with a loss of interest in consummating the contact into the physical system.

This gives physical satisfaction but in a way where there is no physical participation, and where in place of a fulfillment need on the physical level, there is instead a blank feeling which does not urge for physical completion. This is similar to when a person gets money deposited in a bank account by some system of in-bank deposit, where no one physically approaches a teller to deposit the money and yet the money is deposited.

In this system one of the partners enters in the psyche of the other and shares what is to be shared from within the psyche without external contact. This is ultra-subtle and is useless to persons who are externally focused into the puppy-love world. Even for advanced students it takes many months, if not years of practice, before this in-psyche love exchange takes hold and becomes a reality. In the meantime there are doubts about, and lack of fulfillment, because it occurs on a plane where the person may not have transferred her interest.

Tantra is a big topic which requires some deep consideration and complete transfer of interest from the external to the internal planes of psychic contact. Indeed, Tantra is personal and deep!

MiBeloved 5 years ago

Caroline on LinkedIn:

Any thoughts as to what happens after menopause, Michael?

MiBeloved's Response:

Caroline,

Menopause!!!!!!

Totally different topic????

But the subtle body does not have the menopause. It is a physical body thing. It does however affect one if one is physically focused. Because then the subtle body tries to mimic that physical state.

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Caroline wrote:

MB, I meant since this energy is not being drained out in the monthly cycle..........is it still being produced, or does that stop?

MiBeloved's Response:

On the physical side it is not being produced. The physical system for producing that shuts down by the instruction of the life force, which also causes the system not to give pigment to hair and such other things.

This is a budget system which becomes more and more unable to pay its bills, so the services get cut more and more each day.

The life force slowly shuts down this or that and maintains just the very bare essentials in the end, even though it is not to our liking.

The life force also shuts down dream recall apparatus in the subtle body during dreams and that is why most of us have no or very little dream recall.

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Caroline on LinkedIn:

If you mean the inner masculine, the animus, then yes, I think it is.

The way I read what Micheal wrote I think he is referring to an inner connection between two people who exist is the physical, but choose to interact only on the etheric level without any physical contact. Is that correct, Michael?

MiBeloved's Response:

It is an experience. It is not just theoretical. Even for physical expression between two people physically, there is subtle contact but in that case since the focus involves the physical, the subtle cannot be discerned with clarity. However if one's interest migrates to the subtle, then subtle expression may become the focus.

As you stated it is interaction only on the etheric level without physical contact.

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Caroline wrote:

I think what you experienced as you have shared on this forum is, if not unique, then very nearly so, jivana. I haven't experienced anything quite like it, not even close. I think it has been a great gift to you , and as you are able to share it, it is a gift to us all, to open up possibilities within the self.

Caroline's query:

Michael, from what you wrote you are saying this is preferable to a physical engagement, correct. How does this tie in with celibacy?

MiBeloved's Response:

A physical body is like the copper aspect in an electric cable. In it current is travelling at near the speed of light. The current is not the wire, for it was then one could not insert another wire and have that new wire carry the current.

So this is similar to running the current without a wire. Since the current is not the wire and has an independent existence, it should be possible to transmit the current from place to place even without wires.

I guess one has to be psychically tech savvy to do that.

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The tie with celibacy is the realization that celibacy which is a physical fact does not mean that celibacy is happening on the subtle level. A physical monk or nun say, who is guarded twenty-four hours per day where there is no self-stimulation or mutual sex, has done celibacy on the physical side, or so it appears.

But can we see what is being indulged in on the subtle side.

As soon as one sincerely takes up physical celibacy, one begins to admit this to oneself and then the real fun begins as one is then facing reality.

Marcia Beloved 5 years ago

MiBeloved wrote:

The best outlook is the inside dual tantric which is where the yogini (female ascetic) connects with a yogi (male ascetic) within her individual psyche and gains the fulfillments in that way without any physical satisfaction. This is a total shift of focus into the subtle body, with a loss of interest in consummating the contact into the physical system.

Marcia Beloved's comment:

I reread this thread and it seems that there are several overlapping perspectives even within Michael's post.

Is this tantric procedure a way of dovetailing physical sex and consummating a physical urge in the psyche instead?

By psyche, do you mean the entire subtle body with all the chakras and subtle brain, kundalini and all the adjuncts?

Is the dual tantric a bridge which when crossed successfully, leads to total psyche purification at which point the sexual cravings and fulfillments no longer exist?

MiBeloved 5 years ago

Marcia Beloved wrote:

Is this tantric procedure a way of dovetailing physical sex and consummating a physical urge in the psyche instead?

MiBeloved's Response:

It does involve sublimating not consummating a physical urge and getting to the root cause of the urge which lies in the subtle body and not in the physical one. The physical body is here because of its precursor which is the subtle body. Therefore the real target is the subtle body.

So long as the physical is in focus, one cannot see the underlying basis which is the subtle body. If one retreats from the physical fulfillments, one will be left with the real cause which is the subtle body. Then one can see how to deal with that using subtle means alone without physical back-up or supplement.

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Marcia Beloved wrote:

By psyche, do you mean the entire subtle body with all the chakras and subtle brain, kundalini and all the adjuncts?

MiBeloved's Response:

Psyche in this usage does mean the entire subtle body with all the chakras and subtle brain, kundalini and all the adjuncts.

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Marcia Beloved wrote:

Is the dual tantric a bridge which when crossed successfully, leads to total psyche purification at which point the sexual cravings and fulfillments no longer exist?

MiBeloved's Response:

Dual tantric in most cases is a shaky dangling and very dangerous bridge, which I do not recommend to anyone, even though I made this post. It is like handling weapons. Even the most adept munitions experts wound themselves or wound others wrongly on occasion because with weapons there is always that risk.

With sex there is the ever present danger of it digressing into wanton vulgarity which may degrade the individual concerned.

And yet, for instance weapons cannot be eliminated from the face of the earth. Suppose Sir Paul was elected as the President of the United States, then the first thing he would do is to confiscate all weapons and ban any production.

But weapons are such a part of material existence that his ban will do nothing to stop the use of weapons. We are born with weapons as parts of our bodies and as our bodies themselves. So Sir Paul would then have to remove our teeth, declaw all the birds and beast, starve us so that our muscles would go limber and we would be so weak that we could not use our bodies to take advantage of each other.

In the same way sex is dangerous but it cannot be eliminated. We have to deal with it despite the risks.

Look at your statement again:

Is the dual tantric a bridge which when crossed successfully, leads to total psyche purification at which point the sexual cravings and fulfillments no longer exist?

This statement is flawed because it assumes that in a purified psyche would not have sexual needs. Until we can prove that the question floats in the air over our head and we cannot answer it.

I can say this much that what has to be removed are particular types of sexual access, those which cause an eventual degradation of the persons concerned. In all respects pertaining to all habits one has to locate the portions of the habits which are spiritual detrimental and which takes one away from the spiritual focus to an obsession with material existence.

Spiritual sexual exchange is a reality in the spiritual dimensions but it is not based on genital interaction because the spiritual body itself, the whole of it acts like a sexually inflamed genital, such that eye contact, thought contact or any other type of spiritual sensual contact produced the desired pleasure.

In the material world however things are designed so that the genitals have acquired a lopsided importance in relation to pleasure. This keeps us time bound in this dimension constantly seeking the pleasure fulfillment of the physical organs concerned.

Marcia Beloved 5 years ago

Thank you for the clarification.

Please allow me to inquire a little further based on your response:

      *     Is it correct to conclude that the stress on physical and subtle celibacy in higher yoga practice, is basically only relevant in the quest to reaching states of consciousness and attaining supernatural vision, which will enable one to make a final exit out of the material worlds?

      *     And that the application of celibacy as recommended in ancient texts such as Patanjali’s Sutras, only applies in the material dimensions or in the siddha realms since in those places one is still attempting to refine the subtle body to make it completely compatible with a spiritual dimension?

      *     And that upon gaining entrance into spiritual existence, celibacy as a concept is irrelevant and does not even exist as a concept, due to the fact that everyone is perfectly situated in their individual existential role which may or may not include sexual expression or exchange?

Further:

Michael responded to below statement:

Is the dual tantric a bridge which when crossed successfully, leads to total psyche purification at which point the sexual cravings and fulfillments no longer exist?

This statement is flawed because it assumes that in a purified psyche would not have sexual needs. Until we can prove that the question floats in the air over our head and we cannot answer it.  (end of Michael's response)

Marcia Beloved's comment:

I have assumed that all cravings, not just sexual cravings and fulfillments, must cease before one can attain kaivalam, segregation of the core self from the psyche adjuncts, and become qualified to transit to a permanent spiritual place.

Are you saying that some of the core selves have an innate spiritual sexuality which will be a part of their eventual spiritual existence when liberation is achieved?

MiBeloved 5 years ago

More or less what you concluded is correct but there are exceptions. Therefore one has to go light-footed with this and not make it into a dogma or a rule of thumb.

The thing to remember about spiritual dimensions or supernatural place of deities is that the only way you can exist there is if you are completely compatible with the ideas of the deity. You cannot even see or perceive the place if you are not. And if, let us say, you are compatible for 2 seconds in one million years, then for those two seconds you will be with the deity and then for the rest of that one million years you will be somewhere else.

My experience proves this. In this life I was with Krishna the blue cowherd boy with the spiritual bliss emanating body for about 4 minutes say, and that was it. I was there in his spiritual dimension in a corresponding spiritual body. But in my whole life so far of 60+ years with so many minutes, there were only 4 minutes of compatibility.