Dimensions of being & Readiness States

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Date:  Posted 5 years before Dec 17, 2018

Jettins 5 years ago

#808 – Dimensions of being & Readiness States – November 16, 2012

This experience is to add some variety to the mix.

I was listening to a radio interview about time travel and fell to sleep during a nap. The interview leaked into my dream. I felt very heavy and feeling like I was getting sick. I went to the bathroom to look in the mirror. I got very close to the mirror to look at my eyeball and saw writing scrolling in my eye. The writing related to the time travel interview I was hearing. It was a bit creepy. Suddenly I started to levitate. I didn’t become lucid but it still felt like an opportunity to explore the astral. At a subconscious level I knew I was in the astral, but I didn’t achieve full lucidity until later. I went back to my room and saw a white blanket on the ground beside the bed. I sat on it and imagined the blanket was a horse. The blanket started to levitate and it formed itself into the torso of a horse.

Using mental commands I instructed the torso to go through my bedroom wall. I felt the resistance of the wall as I went through it. When I crossed it I was I was back in the same spot I had started inside my room. The effect of teleporting back to the same spot made me a partially lucid. I went through the wall a second time and again I was back in the same spot. Returning to the same spot function to enhance my lucidity even more. At this point I became hyper lucid and decided to try it once more. I went out through the window and finally made it outside. It was a beautiful day.

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It’s interesting to note that each time I crossed the wall my heaviness faded away and the appearance of the dimension changed. When I started things where dark and heavy and I felt somewhat sick. When I finally left the room the feeling of heaviness and sickness where completely gone even the night became day. In this experience it was clear that I needed an enhanced level lucidity and awareness to proceed. Other things regarding the dynamic nature of my being can be glimpsed here. Initially I entered what could be referred as a lower state of being because of my exact condition prior to entering the astral, yet this did not necessarily mean my lower state was permanent even during the same experience. Why? Because the astral is timeless, therefore it is not time that limits, extends or creates experiences in the astral dimensions of being, it is the “readiness states” that do.  Recognizing and actualizing an event triggered a readiness state allowing me to break free from the lower state at that particular moment. The readiness states in the astral are the psyche’s way of determining who we are, and who we will be. Changes in the psyche then trigger the readiness states, these readiness states then become the events that help transition the psyche form one state of being into another. From a lucid dream into an astral projection experience. From a mundane astral experience into an unforgettable spiritual experience. From true astral limbo into a temporary place of residence. Why is this possible? The astral has a fluid like nature. It is not static unless the psyche for a variety of reasons makes it to be.  The key to remember here is that achieving certain readiness states requires being able to recognize astral and even physical events for their value they can bring. Those that do not will be stuck within a given state. This is how enhanced psychic awareness relates to all of this, to be able to recognize and interact with a given psychic Force or astral being in a more constructive way. Some of the forms these forces can take will be mentioned below as examples.

The above experience is a good example on how the astral realms are actually dimensions of being. The level of lucidity and awareness is defined by the state of our psyche at any given moment, in other words determined by how we live and how we think. But our psyche has much complexity, which is why the astral realms can be very personal in nature.

In many astral projection experiences I’ve come across many barriers of sorts. Forces that prevent me from leaving a particular area, restrict me to my room, the house or a particular place within a dimension. These forces can take the Form of invisible energy manifestations holding me down, entities adjusting my destination before release, creatures, paralysis, inaccessible areas, slurring speech, impenetrable walls and other general occurrences that prevent me from proceeding a certain way. These forces have subcategories and more specific meaning can be derived. Regardless of how the force manifest it is very clear that they function to adjust thinking as experiences happen. When the thinking is adjusted by: increasing the level of lucidity, changing the thought pattern in some way, gaining ideas after waking up from it, altering intention or area of exploration, learning from it, altering the course of action based on the influence of any given force will allow me to go forward and deeper into the astral dimension.

And never against your will period. How we allow forces (and beings) to relate to us is another issue that requires serious consideration. Correctly determining how forces are actually trying to interact with us instead of incorrectly manifesting our prejudices through them requires even more contemplating.  This is why getting to know our true self is important, to determine what is coming from within our psyche and what is not. To be able to realize the end of us and the beginning of something else. To realize how much we have extended the parts within our psyche or dimension of being to work for our benefit. This post is not written to avoid difficult astral experiences, this is a separate issue.

These forces aren’t random; they work in tandem with your being towards fulfillment or un-fulfillment, whatever it may be it will permeate through the timeless aspects of the astral creating the different barriers that try to lead the way. When you think of it, they aren’t really barriers they are actually sings posts guiding you towards purpose. It also creates the astral invitations and meaningful encounters. Even the difficult forces that may try to trick you along the way can help strengthened your character (mental and moral qualities distinctive to an individual), but only if you are wise. Nobody will be perfect, but it’s very important to be sincere with our intentions and purpose. This doesn’t mean we have to be hard on ourselves, it means we should be true to ourselves and to live a genuine life. Instead of going against your nature, understand your nature and have a different relationship with it. This is much harder than it sounds because inauthentic lives are an epidemic these days. I will say flat out that you will be better off by picking up a book in psychology than a book a religion or spirituality initially. Some may be wondering why I am saying such things, it is the way to embrace astral existence.

Many people say they can’t understand their dreams or astral experiences, but how could they if they don’t sincerely try to know themselves? Many say they do when they are really a pseudo construct of society. How can someone have a valid reference point in which to understand their personal experiences if the person is synthetic? Why do we want to be who we want to be? Are we on the spiritual path to compensate for lack or something else? Did our guru/society/culture/parents create what we want or do not want or are we creating it ourselves? Do we have the guts to un-learn?

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Hydro1 Wrote:

don't all that physical stuff fade away when astral?

Jettins reply:

Yes and no. It's the nature of people to try to find a better environment, but some try and are not able to do this efficiently. This happens because people create unintended torment for themselves making it more difficult to achieve a new state of readiness. For example look at the behavior of an alcoholic. This person desires the substance, even though he knows it makes him sick. He wants to find a way out of his intoxicated physical environment and go into a better environment, yet he cannot. Or in other words from what is considered a lower dimension of being into a slightly better dimension of being. If we extend this rational we can see how it relates to other aspects of consciousness. Generally speaking a person becoming fixated with an idea has more difficultly seeing alternatives (proportional to psychic awareness). This can delay the "readiness states" that can move you from one state of being into another. Being in a state of anger, envy and hate become easy examples of this. The second problem is that these traits mentioned above have a "looping" effect to them. In the astral realms being angry creates the conditions to have a good reason to feel angrier and so forth. It is much easier to think rationally when one is not being affected by these states but as we have realized it might not be as easy as just changing one’s mind, or as things just fading away. This will affect the conditions on how we exist or not in the astral realms. We can call these astral beings those that dwell. The above are just simple examples to show a point, it is much more complex.

Some would go as far to say that it's "desires" in general that trap you in these states. To a certain extent they are correct, the problem is that in the astral the psyche is not linear in nature, yet thinking requires linear thought or a sense of continuity. This implies that we cannot consciously control everything that happens in the astral. It also implies the infamous divisions within our own psyche. Multiple lives open Pandora's box. This mismatch creates elements that are unknown in Origin. Yeah right, not unknown but suppressed in origin. Yes, our perceived flaws are also part of who we have become. In other words we are also the things we do not want to be, we are also the things we go against with. It becomes the flag we carry into battle, pic any side and you will do harm. The hero needs the villain to become the hero. But there is the problem with this because the hero can also become the tyrant. The tyrant will rule by force and so will the" righteous". All this is happening psychically. You don't only get there by your own doing, something else is pushing you there. No, it’s not a matter of perspective, “oh I am on the side of good, therefore I can rule you” hogwash. That’s what evil once said.

The real problem is that the psyche of man was broken thousands of years ago.  And people line up to throw away the pieces that they can't fit in the mosaic (In the astral this can be seen in the more limited and constricted states of being, aka “the dwellers”). This would be bad enough but it goes further, many want to convince themselves that some of the pieces don’t even exist - That they no longer have the flaw or even the particular desire when it was really just a metamorphosis giving the illusion of wholeness. Many religious fundamentalist will not accept astral projection experiences as spiritual reality because doing so would require them to face the horrors of what they see in their own dreams as somehow real. Instead they would rather pray and hope another entity fixes everything. These are generally the fakes, even the ones that believe they are genuine. You will see the contradictions in every turn. Nobody is going to save humanity, we have to save ourselves. In physical reality you can hide from it if you convince yourself it doesn’t exist, but in the astral dimensions you will soon see that it’s not as easy as having amnesia. It is not about throwing away the pieces because we can’t make then fit. It is not about using brute force to deny aspects we disapprove of - it is not about using brute force to go against our perceived flaws - it is about learning to have a different relationship with the aspects of the self. And this I cannot tell you how to do it because it is you that needs to figure it out on your own. Right answers don't exist on paper. It is called inner work for a reason. Only until then it will be understood.

Hydro, I am not talking to you in particular, just saying. I shouldn’t need to remind the reader that this is my truth, find your own truth.

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Hydro1 wrote:

i wanted more exp i was really getting into it

Jettins reply:

 In short I flew away from the window and saw what appeared to be condominiums. I flew over a blond boy with blue eyes. He looked at me all the way until I landed on the ground. I stopped because I heard the beginning of F.Chopin: Etude "Chanson de l'adieu" Op. 10 No. 3 mixed in with rock. It sounded amazing. I walked into the apartment and saw a young man composing music. He had a digital piano and two LCDs for his mixing, similar to my setup. I asked him what the music was and he said “guns and roses”, and then it can into my mind “spaghetti incident” which is the name of the album. Then I wondered why I hadn’t listened to music so clearly and vividly like that (except in one other experience), and then I responded in my own mind “because before I wasn’t ready to notice”. I woke up.

F.Chopin: Etude "Chanson de l'adieu" Op. 10 No. 3

Marcia Beloved 5 years ago

Regarding Experience #808

Jettins, this is a wonderful discourse on many levels!

I could not help seeing parallels between what you describe as “readiness states” and to what Michael refers to as “texture of consciousness”. 

The “texture” or “readiness state” of one’s psyche determines the type of dream or projection one gets.  And further, when the physical body dies, the “texture” or “readiness state” of the psyche at that moment, may likely determine the destination of the subtle body.  Specifically, in your #808 experience, you actually developed and enhanced the projection.  I think this skill of developing the psyche can be instrumental in determining where one goes when the body dies and  how well one transitions into subtle existence.

To then correlate the “readiness states” to one’s personal level of authenticity, is profound indeed. I have not worked hard enough for astral projection skills or had faith in any process, but in my authentic self I have desired these.  From your personal accounts of astral experiences, it seems that to even start astral projection or lucid dreaming, one needs to already be living authentically to a high degree. 

I never considered that the chaos one experiences in dreams, could be related to living an inauthentic life, a life crafted around social posturing, attempting to please others, avoid conflicts, all in an attempt to reasonably survive and cope with impermanent existence.

Years ago there was a period in my life when I did strive for dream recall and I became discouraged by the predominant mundaneness and confusion in most of the dreams I recalled.

This is really a fresh perspective that I will continue to ponder.  It may be an essential complement to kriya yoga practice (bhastrika, meditation, asanas).

Alfredo 5 years ago

Marcia!

Very well said. Thank you. Many things there apply to me as well.

I also follow Jettins' sharings carefully.

unlimitedsun 5 years ago

Marcia Beloved wrote:

The “texture” or “readiness state” of one’s psyche determines the type of dream or projection one gets.   And further, when the physical body dies, the “texture” or “readiness state” of the psyche at that moment, may likely determine the destination of the subtle body.

unlimitedsun's comment:

Indeed, a remarkable gain as far as having some level of control or at least awareness so much so that up hazard birth may be avoided. This tells me that in my past live I was not advanced enough to be doing astral projections, whether on the path of yoga or otherwise, because then I would or should have avoided my current birth. But then again awareness does not imply the opportunity to pick and choose the next body whatsoever.

So many individuals who are not into yoga (in their current life) but who are psychic enough to explore the subtle realms with lucidity are incidentally accomplishing an important yogic goal, even if a tiny step in the scheme of things. These folks are very accomplished by some measure for being at a level where they can pin point an incarnation.

The current hula bula regarding the incarnation of the Karmapa could be easily avoided by one of these guys in spite of the soul-less hand of the insidious Chinese government. Please consider this ->: Karmapa - Two Ways of Divinity

Jettins 5 years ago

I might be wrong, but I think having this birth was a blessing instead of a screw-up. My family is very good to me. Since very young they allowed me to make my own decisions. Even not going to school when I didn't want to, imagine that. In my case I think it was beneficial because I was able to realize what was truly important to me instead of just following with the norms or what others would expect of me. Thanks for the link Surya, I will watch it.

unlimitedsun 5 years ago

Marcia Beloved wrote:

I never considered that the chaos one experiences in dreams, could be related to living an inauthentic life, a life crafted around social posturing, attempting to please others, avoid conflicts, all in an attempt to reasonably survive and cope with impermanent existence.

Years ago there was a period in my life when I did strive for dream recall and I became discouraged by the predominant mundaneness and confusion in most of the dreams I recalled.

This is really a fresh perspective that I will continue to ponder.  It may be an essential complement to kriya yoga practice (bhastrika, meditation, asanas).

unlimitedsun's reply:

I am also very concerned about the mundaneness of my dreams, for the same reason I stopped recording them over the years on more than one instance. Even recently I jumped up and down protesting here along the same lines, and as you might have read Swami vehemently reproached me for lashing back at the teacher and being an unworthy student.

So this mundanity and disconcerting nature of the dreams is my reality for a fact. For example several nights in the raw a younger brother appears in many of all my dreams, even when I recall more than one dream the same night. It is a downer, he is a surgeon who has no spiritual or even religious inclination that I ever noticed; but it is better to see these tendencies manifest than ignore them. Still, I don't feel really bad when I can't recall a dream knowing what it is likely to contain, why be anxious over that (says my rascal mind)?

But for keeping a dream log, it appears that there is some hope ahead, ultimately for me at this point achieving lucidity as an essential part of the practice seems more attainable than say celibacy.

Also, I was wondering how a regular post from a yogini could inspire other female members on the forum, and that this topic could perhaps be discussed during a Sunday chat session.

Alfredo 5 years ago

Very honest of you. Your are not alone.

Jettins 5 years ago

unlimitedsun wrote:

Still, I don't feel really bad when I can't recall a dream knowing what it is likely to contain, why be anxious over that (says my rascal mind)?

Jettins reply:

I have the habit of recording my dreams every morning. I’ve been doing it for nearly 2.5 years now. Sometimes I have strange dreams after watching a movie for example, or after going through an issue that affects me somehow. It’s a dream I don’t like, it’s boring or it’s mundane. Sometimes I don’t want to record them, but I can’t ignore them, those also have the answer I seek.  I HAVE TO RECORD THEM because if I don’t, to me it feels like I am suppressing it. Attention is what’s needed. Especially if I don’t like it somehow, I find the need to figure out why and how that dream got into the tape recorder (in the subconscious).

When I first started recording I would skip the ugly dreams, or the ones that seemed strange or incomplete. But then I realized that those dreams were already in the tape. Ignoring them wouldn’t get them out or fix anything. They would instead morph into something else, causing them to be even more incomprehensible. Pushing it aside as bogus, ignoring it as unimportant or going against it as if brute force is going to erase it doesn’t work, it only adds more to the tape. Conflict then generates. In my opinion our consciously aware mind should instead illuminate the subconscious. This can be done by thinking about our dreams after waking up and by giving them the needed consideration. By traveling or changing our daily routine, by going out into nature, by thinking of things we haven’t considered, by stimulating our creativity, by thinking about what really matters, talking to ourselves, by considering new opportunities, talking to others, by rewarding ourselves, by laughing at our faults, in other words by building a better relationship with the subconscious using our dreams as the barometer. Like if it was our best friend.

We cannot avoid what has already been recorded in the tape, but shinning some light can help us come to terms with it and even release parts of it. Why? Our subconscious is the compilation or all our life experiences that we have forgotten collapsed within itself, and even more! It creates our personality which is why it can be so evasive. It generates aspects of the psyche.

Imagine lucidity as a transfer from one place into another or one state of being into another. Conscious awareness then tries to transfer into the subconscious, if the subconscious resists we cannot transfer into it. If the subconscious encourages us we are granted instantaneous lucidity. It becomes evident that unconscious aspects can’t be ignored if lucidity is the goal. If you ignore it, it will lock you out because it will feel that your conscious awareness is the stranger within, therefore it will rule you. Your conscious awareness becomes the passenger, the higher levels of lucidity are denied.

I understand the concept of actively perusing better habits so that they get incorporated into our dreams, spiritual life and our being. This is perfect, but what about the stuff that we disapprove off? Before polishing the car we should first have a system to wash it with soap and water would be the logic. It will bridge the gaps building a more cohesive self. All this stuff applies to me; I am not immune to it. It’s a constant reminder that I need to make. It helps me become authentic across more than one level.

Message to my subconscious:

Instead of saying: “hey, Juan, it is the behavior that I will choose for myself, this is the reality I want for myself, do as I say, if you keep doing what I want you will eventually adapt to it and will thrive. Reply from subconscious: And what about me, you don’t think I have anything to say?