Astral Body wants Physical History

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Date:  Posted 5 years before Jan 20, 2019

MiBeloved 5 years ago

Last night I had an encounter with two deceased persons. One was the mother of my present body. The other was an uncle on my father’s side. Both persons were interested in my present circumstances and were checking on what I was doing at this present time, and especially on which woman (women), I was with.

Both individuals had astral bodies which looked like a physical body would have around the age of 30+ years of age. These individuals will soon need material bodies as their subtle forms are running out of energy for remaining on the astral side of existence. Their satisfaction there is petering out gradually. It will reach a point where they will be drawn into a birth situation regardless of whether they desire that or not.

As one hairs turn gray, as arthritis sets in irrespective of one’s desire for it, so in the astral world, persons who are deceased feel drawn into birth situations come what may, irrespective of whether they desire that or not.

It begins to feel like a run-down battery which lacks charge and which cannot be charged unless it is hooked into a charging circuit. These persons will soon require a charge from physical history by having to join in the social situation of the human race and participate in the formation of new cultural activities.

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Colleen on LinkedIn:

Michael, do you accept the notion that our mortal life is something of an illusion, or is everything quite concrete to you?

MiBeloved's Response:

I accept it as an effective illusion, one with impact, one that occasionally, cannot be ignored.

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Colleen wrote:

Your message reminds me of the movie "Groundhog Day" where the Bill Murray character keeps living the same day over and over again until he finally "gets the message."

Is it possible that there is a message that we aren't getting? If so, what do you see is the message in all of this? Where does love fit into it?

I have sensed in you some resistance to the idea that experiences have meaning, has that changed?

MiBeloved's Response:

no message intended.

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Colleen wrote:

Okay.....

Wow.

Are we, then, the only substance or manifestation of intention or purpose? The larger reality is only existential and not intentional? How does that work when you believe in a divine personality of Godhead?

I have trouble making the connection...

How does "something" or "someone" create something outside of its own potential and character? Whatever comes out, must have been "inside" at some point, doesn't it?

MiBeloved's Response:

Can't follow your line of reasoning. Different minds have different methods of understanding.

But raw materials have their innate potential which has nothing to do with divine or earthly creators who may superficially alter them.

Brahman (spiritual) in this usage means that which exist perpetually irrespective of permanent or variable appearance.

Brahman applies to the Supreme Person as God, the Non-perishable Environment as God, and even the Temporarily-manifested Environment as God.

The Supreme Person as God did not create the Source-Energy of the Temporarily-manifested Environment. That environment has its own qualities which the Supreme Person cannot alter (and has no desire to alter). It is a divine raw material which the God can manipulate but not to an absolute degree, and the God has no desire to do so, even though other beings accredit the God that desire in their ideas of divinity.

The spiritual status of the material nature from which this mundane world was produced is described like this:

प्रकृतिं पुरुषं चैव

विद्ध्यनादी उभावपि ।

विकारांश्च गुणांश्चैव

विद्धि प्रकृतिसंभवान्॥१३.२०॥

prakṛtiṁ puruṣaṁ caiva

viddhyanādī ubhāvapi

vikārāṁśca guṇāṁścaiva

viddhi prakṛtisaṁbhavān (13.20)

prakṛtiṁ — material nature; puruṣaṁ — spiritual personality; caiva = ca — and + eva — indeed; viddhi — know; anādī — beginningless; ubhau — both; api — also; vikārān — changes of the living space (see 13.4); ca — and; guṇāṁ — moods; caiva = ca— and + eva — indeed; viddhi — know; prakṛtisaṁbhavān = prakṛti — material nature + saṁbhavān — produced

Know that both material nature and the spiritual personality are beginningless, and know that the changes of the living space and the moods of material nature are produced from material nature. (Bhagavad Gita 13.20)

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God’s creative actions in material nature is explained like this:

मयाध्यक्षेण प्रकृतिः

सूयते सचराचरम् ।

हेतुनानेन कौन्तेय

जगद्विपरिवर्तते ॥९.१०॥

mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ

sūyate sacarācaram

hetunānena kaunteya

jagadviparivartate (9.10)

mayā — with Me + adhyakṣeṇa — as supervisor; prakṛtiḥ — material nature; sūyate — produces; sacarācaram — moving and non-moving things; hetunānena = hetunā — by cause of + anena — by this; kaunteya — son of Kuntī; jagad = jagat — world; viparivartate — operates

With Me as the supervisor, material nature produces moving and nonmoving things. By this cause, O son of Kuntī, the universe operates. (Bhagavad Gita 9.10)

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The spiritual environment is described like this:

ततः पदं तत्परिमार्गितव्यं

यस्मिन्गता न निवर्तन्ति भूयः ।

तमेव चाद्यं पुरुषं प्रपद्ये

यतः प्रवृत्तिः प्रसृता पुराणी.॥१५.४॥

tataḥ padaṁ tatparimārgitavyaṁ

yasmingatā na nivartanti bhūyaḥ

tameva cādyaṁ puruṣaṁ prapadye

yataḥ pravṛttiḥ prasṛtā purāṇī(15.4)

tataḥ — then; padaṁ— please; tat— that; parimārgitavyaṁ — to be sought; yasmin — to which; gatā — some; na — not; nivartanti — they return; bhūyaḥ — again; tam — that; eva — indeed; cādyaṁ = ca — and + ādyaṁ — primal; puruṣaṁ — person; prapadye — I take shelter; yataḥ — from whom; pravrttiḥ — creation; prasṛtā — emerged; purāṇī — in primeval limes

Then that place is to be sought, to which having gone, the spirits do not return to this world again. One should think: I take shelter with that Primal Person, from Whom the creation emerged in primeval times. (Bhagavad Gita 15.4)

chris_hall1951 5 years ago

If the beings are under the spell of the bewildering energy in a certain combination, they will not be able to appreciate this information which is given  to us from Krishna, the ancient seers, and the Yogi Himself, who  is the reality perceiving sage,  presently on the scene.

This is meant for those who are pro and not con.

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Right On Michael, tell it like it is, don't pull any punches.

If they cannot handle the concept of The Truth, then the experience of what that concept has to offer, will be something forever beyond their puny ideas of what they think reality should be.

Bottom line, it's tuff luck for them.  Existentially, they must be categorically classified as those who are causelessly unfortunate, due to the quality of genuine Humility not be active, but only a causeless potential.