Continued from above…

It is almost a compulsion to take help from relatives on such occasions as when one’s freedom to act is threatened by those who can impose imprisonment.

Haley Verrin And, Michael, your characterizations are hilarious. Reminds me of the tug of war between Alfredo and Jivana. I almost feel guilty for laughing, because I love them all; but it is good to laugh at ourselves as well as the antics of others, I think. I get something from everyone in this group and I cannot say that about any of the other ones I belong to. No one giggles there: very serious :-(

Michael Beloved replied to Haley below:

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Haley wrote:

re: ghost police. It would seem, then, that there are simply different manifestations of the same thing in all the worlds. This is not a new thought, of course, but I offer it to try to explain what I am getting from the idea: everything is a variation on a theme, eh?

MiBeloved Reply:

I agree with the variation, theme concept.

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Haley wrote:

So, what are your thoughts on the Ghost Police's reach? Can they do anything to call back the errant Spirit Criminal or do they have to hope the laws on this plane can catch up with them (or pounce when they leave their present body)? I wish it was the first posit but maybe I should be "careful of what I wish for"...how do I know they know any more of what they are doing than this cumbersome criminal justice system we have here?

MiBeloved Reply:

It is interesting that you mentioned the comparison to the criminal justice system on the physical plane, which is very much a flawed affair.

So there are instances in the Puranas where the ghost judge is said to have made mistakes. Perhaps one of the most famous instances is the person known in the Mahabharata as Vidura. He was the half brother of Dhritarashtra, the first name mentioned in the Bhagavad Gita.

According to the story, Vidura was in his past life, the judge of the departed souls who had criminal or socially unacceptable behaviors in their past human life. There was a question as to why such a person, a supernatural being known as Yamaraja, or the king-judge (raja) who enforces moral principles (yama), had to take birth as a human being with borderline royal privileges.

The story is that he made a wrong judgment and inflicted an undue punishment on a human being who was a yogi and who did not act in a way which warranted the punishment.

So in the Puranas there is admittance that these supernatural agents do make mistakes. However that means nothing in terms of getting rid of them, no more than we can eliminate the faulty human criminal justice system.

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Usually if a person is about to avoid repercussion in the afterlife by taking shelter in the feelings (subtle body) of a relative, that person’s psyche retains the energy of the criminal or socially-destructive acts, and if he or she is unable to absolve that energy, then in the next interim period as a ghost, the person might be arrested and be forced to compensate for the activity.

One can go for many lives without having to face the consequences of an act, just as a person can commit several crimes before becoming the focus of the human police. But once the person is arrested, his or her activities might be mentioned in summary before a court.

It is a fact however that in some cases, the supernatural agency from the astral world brings a corrective energy into the life of an individual who escaped by taking a body through a relative. But in other cases, the corrective energy is held in suspension for the next time the offender looses a body.

The case of Ajamil is one in which the dying old man could not enter into the feelings (subtle body) of his son at the time of death, because the ghost police had specifically wanted him and arrested his subtle body before he could enter into the psyche of his son.

Dodging the ghost police by taking shelter in the body of a relative is not a solution but it can postpone the application of the repercussions one might have for criminal or socially-detrimental acts committed with a physical body.

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Pool 6 years ago

Very interesting read!

Jettins 6 years ago

The "ghost police" would be the security forces in the Astral, a feisty bunch indeed. There are real entities trying to get you, not all are self created imaginations for fear of persecution Indeed.  These security forces may still be influenced by the emotions we may project onto them, but there is no telling if this will be useful.

Query: So, what are your thoughts on the Ghost Police's reach?

Jettins' reply:

These forces appear to be able to jump dimensions if they wanted to, but it also appears to me that there are some dimensions they rather not go into.

AWESOME formatting Michael and great idea to bring comments to the forum.

Interesting read.

MiBeloved 6 years ago

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Haley wrote:

I'm not sure I understand when you write "Usually if a person is about to avoid repercussion in the afterlife by taking shelter in the feelings (subtle body) of a relative..." Does the criminal stay hiding in the subtle body of the relative, leaving when they see the ghost police move off and/or hang in there, hoping the relative will let them in to be born?

MiBeloved's Reply:

Once the deceased person is able to enter into the psychic environs of the relative, the subtle body of that deceased person changes in frequency and it is no longer perceived by the ghost police. They experience that as a disappearance of the person. Because of the shift downwards in vibration of that recently departed person’s astral body, the ghost police become helpless to arrest the person, because their authority does not extend to the level of energy of the relative.

Failure to enter into the body of a relative at that time, causes the astral body to be more pronounced in that ghost realm and thus it becomes possible for the ghost police to hold that person.

They know what has happened and therefore they desist and go about their business in that astral domain, understanding that this person has escaped or has postponed the imposition of consequences for criminal or socially-disapproved acts.

In the story of Ajamil, there is some clarification about how the ghost polices’ act when they are frustrated like this in arresting a person who for sure had a list of criminal and socially degrading influences in his past life.

As the story goes, when Ajamil was arrested he cried out for his son but his son was named Narayana which was the name for God in that society where Ajamil lived. It was like somebody who is dying and who becomes scared to death seeing astral people coming to arrest and beat him. So then this person might cry out,

“Jesus Jesus help me!”

In this case Ajamil was not calling the deity but his own son whom he named after the deity. It is said that because of his shouting of the name of God, some divine beings who were in the astral domains heard the call and came there by the speed of light to rescue him. When they got there, Ajamila was already arrested by the astral ropes of the ghost police. These divine beings then instructed those police to release Ajamil into their custody.

The ghost police protested and listed off the charges mentioning some bad things which Ajamil did during his life, but the divine being prevailed and Ajamil was released.

After this, it says that those ghost police went to their supervisor to complain but the supervisor said something to the effect that the divine beings had a superior authority and had to be complied with.

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Haley wrote:

Can we become more aware in order to sense this? Can we reject the request and, if so, will we face unpleasant repercussions for it?

MiBeloved’s Reply:

In this life while using this present body I had a situation where this might be explained. Once when I was in a hellish world in the astral, I was with some guys who were really suffering in the hellish regions. These guys were sex offenders who had abused women. I got to that place because the authority who ran that dimension wanted me to see what was happening there. It was a very horrible place to be in and while I was there, it was like I too was such a criminal. I was feeling like I had also abused women and that maybe I would have to stay there with those guys who were suffering terribly.

But then one of the guys asked me to help him and some others did not verbalize anything but from the look on their faces, they were asking me to try to do something to get them released from that place, so they could come back and have a body as a human being on earth.

So I asked the escort who was with me about the way to help these men to get out of that situation. He did not like that I asked the question. So I did not push the issue. From his mind was radiating an energy of “Do not ask any questions? Just look. See what is here and when you get back write about it.”

But then soon after that he said something like this:

“If you want to help just one of these men, then show us how you will compensate for his criminal activities. First enact the compensation and then perhaps that person may be released. And by the way, he said, “Show us also how you will reform his criminal and vicious habits so that they are no longer in his nature.”

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However in a situation as you cited, someone on this side who can perceive such predicament of a departed relative, either by blind intuition or by psychic perception, is still duty bound by the laws of karma to help that person. How you do so, depends on your insight and capability?

Once you take birth in a family, you have for the most part signed a contract to help relatives. Sometimes we find that a son is imprisoned because of the activities of his father, or that a son has to pay damages which were committed by his father. I do not mean that there is a legal order for this from a court but sometimes one just ends up in a circumstance where one finds oneself paying like that for something a relative has done.

This happened to me repeatedly in this body which I am using. And there is that saying in Catholicism something to the effect that the sins of the parents are visited upon the children.

Therefore if one finds that one has to give shelter to an ancestor who has an unresolved criminal past, the awareness of this carries with it the responsibility to parent that infant in a way which points him or her in the direction of reform and rehabilitation.

Failure to do this will carry consequences because in the family then there will be compounded failure to improve which can only result in further hardship, confusion and more dysfunctionality in the family line. I feel that we are all too familiar with this.

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Haley wrote:

Depressing that they can be running amok for many lifetimes like those who wreck havoc in this lifetime...have you any advice for dealing with these people on this plane? Loving them does not seem to make a difference, especially the dead-eyed psychopath.

Very draining being with these types..."no, I said no, how many times do I have to say 'no'?"

The best I have found to do is to limit my time with them, telling them (and family who support them) as little as possible, and repeat, daily "no one can ever hurt me" as I focus on my own business throughout the day.

MiBeloved’s Reply:

Usually if you are to have any lasting impact on reforming someone who was prone to criminality and socially-depraved acts, you have to express that influence during the childhood phase of that person’s body. This is because once that person’s body reaches maturity, the full strength of will and determination will manifest. At that time due to the utilization of that person’s willpower by that person’s inherent bad tendencies, you will not be able to make much of an impact unless you have already expressed a strong foundation by tutoring in the childhood stage.

Helping others is therefore not something that comes easy in real terms. Sure, superficially, everybody is helping everybody and wishing everybody well but in fact none of us are able to put any real dent into the other.

It goes back to something Creole people used to say when I grew up in Guyana which is this:

You can bend a young tree but for an old one either leave it alone or cut it down.

The desire to help is there in human nature and we see that sometimes even the beasts like the lions and hyena, top predators, will sometimes express assistance to their own kind especially.

But providence has to allow it. No matter what you duty is, if providence does not provide an opening you cannot fulfill it.