Continued from above…

 

Why are you concerned with celibacy?

 

Just for curiosity sake?

 

Well then how much time should I spend elaborating on it?

 

Satyajit K.T. wrote:

Michael,

What is the Sanskrit word for celibacy which is used in Astanga Yoga?

 

Michael Beloved wrote:

Satyajit,

Stay out of this. If you know there is no Sanskrit word for it in Ashtanga Yoga then state so and be done with it.

 

This discussion began about a practice experience.

 

Read the first two post and inquire about that.

 

I am not running a Satyapedia service.

 

Antonio Domene wrote:

Six years ago at age of 50 I retired myself to a Monastery in China...and I was planning to become a Buddhist Monk....after 3 months I realized that the celibacy was not my path...

...but still I would like to talk to you about celibacy and I wish to ask you once again about celibacy... What is celibacy for you ???

 

Michael Beloved wrote:

Antonio,

Okay you found out that for you, it is unnatural and I explained about what it is for me but you cannot pick up what I wrote in my last statements to you.

 

So that means that it is completely out of your orbit.

 

Therefore it is not a good thing to ask about something which rings no bell for you.

 

It is a bad dream, my posts, so best thing is to just not read them.

 

But what I can do is to get my printer to send you a complimentary copy of my book, sex you! which goes into details of my realization regarding the opposite of celibacy.

 

Here is a link to that book. Get me your address if you are interested in a copy.

 

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https://sites.google.com/site/michaelbeloved/Home/sex-you

 

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Antonio Domene wrote:

Michael it seems that you try to avoid a conversation based on the INTELLECT, There is nothing PERSONAL in my questions...

 

written language is a limitation of the thought..for these reason I am asking you for the last time....and with all respect.....please tell me about the purpose of the celibacy....

 

Michael Beloved wrote:

Antonio,

You are very persistent, so here goes.

 

First I cannot give a universal definition but I can tell you how I am using celibacy. First there are basically two types of celibacy. One is static and one is dynamic.

 

Static celibacy is like the system used in Catholicism, where a priest takes a vow never to marry and never to be involved with sexual indulgence. This same kind of vow is taken by many in the Indian system of spirituality in some sects. Usually if someone comes from India with the name Swami, it means that he took a vow to do certain things for the rest of his life, and one of those things is to be celibate and never to have sexual indulgence.

 

In fact it used to be so strict that if a Swami (avowed celibate monk) was discovered having sexual relationships, he was supposed to drown his body at the Trevini, which is the confluence of some important rivers in India.

 

I am not a monk of either the Western or Easter system. I do not practice the static celibacy because it does nothing to efficiently use up the sexual energy in the body. Subsequently the energy accumulates and the charge or force of it causes the monk to break his vow either by self indulgence or by finding a partner. In other words the repression of the energy is the bane of monks.

 

I practice a dynamic celibacy which has for its practice a method of using up the sexual energy on a daily basis by pranayama breath infusion and asana postures with special actions which are called mudras, bandhas and kriyas. These allow that the sexual energy does not pool or accumulate in the body but is used up in the psyche and is distributed evenly through the system.

 

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One of the main reasons for this practice is that for me to associate with certain astral yogis, I have to do this, because that is a requirement for their association. So that is one purpose for it.

 

The other reason is that I am trying to attain a yoga siddha form using my subtle body to transform it and to do this all energy in the system has to be reintegrated in such a way that the attraction to life in the physical plane is removed from the psyche. Part of that attraction is caused by sex energy.

 

So for me to attain what I am after, celibacy is a great assistance.

 

In curbing kundalini, I found that celibacy is a major component for success.

 

Antonio Domene wrote:

Michael... I fully agree with your understanding of the Sexual Energy..... now I know that we can understand each other in this conversation.....the sexual energy has nothing to do with sex......sex and sexual energy is not the same.....

 

Therefore I think we should not use the word CELIBACY in this context..to me the concept of CELIBACY is abstaining from marriage and that implies abstention of SEXUAL intercourse....instead I will use the expression of keeping the sexual energy inside our root chakra or Dan Tian..

 

The sexual energy is stored in our root chakra...and that energy can be lifted to the Pineal Gland...in order to obtain another states of consciousness....I am NOT talking from the conceptual....I am talking about my OWN experience.....

 

Once I had that experience and it was a wonderful.....and my family was present in that time....just it happened after 3 days of intense meditation practice in a swimming pool....I had that experience at night and just after.. switching off my computer......

 

I have trained myself in order to see the subtle body and also it was experienced....the body is not only blood and flesh and bones...the Ki...the chi....is present...in 1000 of channels....the flow of energy is there.. beautiful energy...

 

This energy is stored in our root chakra....and when the " battery " is full we are ready to push up this energy to our pineal gland...bu

 

Marcia Beloved 5 years ago

Very interesting conversation!

 

I would add that in order to control the sexual energy and observe celibacy dynamically, it is absolutely essential to also master the stage in ashtanga yoga called pratyahara.  Containing and restraining the sensual energy in all its aspects, gives a great boost in specifically controlling sexual energy.

 

MiBeloved 5 years ago

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Satyajit K.T. wrote:

"Stay out of this"

LOL nice

 

Antonio Domene wrote:

Video Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu99GRUUN6Y

Video Title: Qigong master projecting his chi energy by therion616

 

This is the sexual energy flow......

 

Antonio Domene wrote:

Michael Celibacy in the Buddhist traditions is NOT related only to avoid sexual intercourse...it is more linked with time and avoiding responsibilities of wife and children.

 

But we are part of the nature...and sexual activity is a gift to our senses and we must take it with respect....I do not use the word love....because love is something different...and I deny the connection Love-Sex

 

Manish Soni wrote:

LoL ... this is something we already know ..the use of this equipment is to generate more copies of us. It’s ok if we do that because the thought behind the usefulness of this equipment is to give life. Because we are all creation of God, the God feels pleasure in creating ourselves so he gives the same kind of pleasure to us. This tells us what is the meaning of giving and how it’s pleasurable. The only thing is to control of this sense so God tells us that the senses and desires should be used in controlled manner.

 

Here is the tricky part of free will and control comes. We are like flubber (if you have seen the flubber movie you can easily understand what is flubber). The flubber changes its shape and size quickly so as we. For us to remain in original shape we need the control, if we achieve that we will have the qualities of God.

 

The incarnations like Lord Krishna, Rama, Christ, Buddha etc are like role models of humans. We should follow what they were doing in their life time in each situation.

 

There is nothing unnecessary organ in our physical body. Our body adjusts according to environment because we are living and biological life form. When the evolution goes up or advances the physical forms becomes unimportant.

 

Antonio Domene wrote:

Yes Manish....there is nothing unnecessary organ in our physical body.....but the Mind is full of unnecessary believes and dogmas... amongst others...

 

Michael Beloved wrote:

Antonio,

It is interesting that a person like you who by your admittance turned away from being a monk, now wants to explain what the mission of celibacy is in buddhism. So you are an expert on this. Okay! From now on do not ask any questions about it just state your expertise.

 

You are closer to Buddha than I am , so you explain what he why he left his householder life and never rejoined it, and vehemently objected to admitting women into the sangha and stated that the duration of the sangha would be shortened because of admittance of females into it.

 

It is a stark contrast, you and Buddha, because he went to be an ascetic and stuck it out through and through and remained celibate all the way and encouraged hundreds of disciples in that way, and you who went and turned away from it and who are now speaking authoritatively about what is a necessary and what is an unnecessary organ.

 

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One other thing. The video you posted about chi practice, I consider to be valid but there is another practice in the Taoist tradition which was explained by Charles Lux in Toaist Yoga. That is a similar practice to the one I am using right now. That other practice has nothing to do with the external world or with others outside the psyche. It concern is within the psyche between the core-self and the psychic components.

 

I was in China recently around 2007 and a Chinese friend took me to several of the old Taoist temples in Beijing, Xiang and some other places but we were unable to find any masters who were practicing that method, even though the feelings were there of the practice in the murti (statues) of the patriarchs.

 

However Charles Lux has explained much of it in his book.

 

I had many diagrams which are in some of my book which later I found in Lux's literature.

 

The kriya yoga tradition which concerns inner control of the components of the subtle body, the psyche and this inner Tao which has nothing to do with harmonizing with nature and dealing with other realities is the same practice even though they were developed in different cultures, in India and in China.

 

I state this to make it clear to you that I am not interested in that Chi force practice. Chi force is the same kundalini force but I am not interested in cultivating it in that method. My use of it is different.

 

Antonio Domene wrote:

Michael.....I have not said anything about what is a necessary and what is an unnecessary organ...but we can talk about it if you wish.....

 

I do not think that the Buddha ever objected to admitting women into the Shanga. There is a fundamental reason why monks and nuns are separated....Buddha understood very clearly that desire for sex is one of the foundations of human life....food.....protection....sleep ...and sexuality.......

 

Monks and Nuns are separated because they understand that is better to be separated...for both parties....To fight against the natural instinct is a very arduous task and is required self-discipline and understanding..

 

After leaving the monastery I started a new relation and I have two kids....Alexander 4 years and Catarina 2 years

 

Yes.... in that time I was not prepared to be a monk....and probably I will never be....but still the desire exist,,,,,because becoming a monk for me means to find the way to avoid to become again.....

 

He never encourage others to remain celibate.....The Buddha encourage to all to find the truth by themselves....

 

Michael Beloved wrote:

Antonio,

Your statement in the reply which has this paragraph in it, sounds real nice and informative but it is very misleading, was written by a man who has partial information and fragmented practice and who now wants to present himself as an authority on a subject which he just barely touched, and has not given his life to and has not completed the disciplines and who has robbed himself of the real benefits of the achievements of the highest form of yoga on this planet. Your situation is pathetic:

 

Here is one paragraph of your statement in that reply. Let us look at it one more time:

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The sexual energy is stored in our root chakra...and that energy can be lifted to the Pineal Gland...in order to obtain another states of consciousness....I am NOT talking from the conceptual....I am talking about my OWN experience.....

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First of all sexual energy is not stored in the root chakra. That is not possible.

Dan tian when it refers to the sex energy storage refers to a place called a kanda bulb in hatha yoga practice. That is not the root chakra. This is totally false. Root chakra is residence of kundalini. Sex energy is not even on any of the spinal chakras, not even on the second chakra which is called the sex chakra. Sex energy is in the sex organ chakra which is in the front part of the body in the groin area.

 

When kundalini goes into the head of the body through the spine, it does go with sex energy but only because it either draws that energy from the Dan Tien, or because it is forced to move up when some psychic action causes the sex energy to fuse into it.

 

Root chakra is concerned with survival irrespective of reproductive concerns.

 

Even though chi is the general term used, it depends on where that energy received its charge. If it was charged at the lowest dan tien, then it is a sex energy charge and it is nothing else.

 

Your explanation is not satisfactory because you did not stick to the practice enough and mostly because you did not isolate yourself and study the internal circuits sincerely.

 

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