Continued from above…

 

MiBeloved 6 years ago

Experience #512

 

After feeling the usual sensations I've become accustomed to recognizing as I enter the out of body condition, something unusual happened, something that's never happened before. As soon as I started moving my quasi physical body into the astral realm, I felt something inserting its fingers in my brain. I was only able to visually see for a moment it was a hooded figure before being pushed down and held there. I heard the voice of a man who spoke to me telepathically and eagerly to get my attention.

 

MiBeloved’s Remark:

By quasi physical body, I assume you mean the astral body when it is in a dimension where it feels as if it is a physical form. These realms in which the subtle body feels as though it is physical are parallel worlds or dimensions which are immediately adjacent to this physical existence.

 

Usually when people depart from a body at its death, they find themselves in these astral places, and there they create by mental imagination a situation which is similar to what they were doing in the last body. The person might make a house which looks exactly like the house he or she lived in when last using a physical body.

 

There is really no need for anyone to insert their fingers into another’s astral body but this may happen if you are expecting such occurrences to happen. One astral body can pass through another astral body just as we know for sure that radio frequencies pass through wall and even pass through the same space in which other such frequencies are broadcasted.

 

If someone passed through your astral form, it means that his or her astral body was in another dimension, in a different frequency. There are trillions of these frequencies.

 

There is no need for anyone to hold anyone down in the astral existence, just as there is really no need for it on the physical end but it does happen if one gets into a dimension where such things take place.

 

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#514

In experience #514 from March 27, 2012 called "floating out of bedroom – 12 noon travel attempt". I attempted to travel to the 12 noon marker without success. I realize the thought has permeated deep within my psyche.

 

MiBeloved’s Response:

Trying to return to the same astral location or same astral place is, generally speaking, futile.

 

Reason:

Many of these astral realms go through rapid transitions from moment to moment what to speak of from day to day. In the astral world, a tide of water from an astral sea might rise over 100 feet in seconds and then vanish as if it was never there.

 

One of the reasons why we are so hung up on physical existence is the stability of matter on this level. The astral world is also matter but subtle matter. It is moving rapidly. Think of the electron movement within your technology (laptop). It is moving very rapidly. So the astral world is similar to that.

 

There are settled domains though but usually one cannot access these when one has a physical body. This is because the astral form when it is tied to a physical body, remains anchored mostly to the psychic frequency which operates that body.

 

Advice:

Find astral persons by finding their vibration not their location. Find advanced beings, angels, yogis, and siddhas by following their instructions. They quickly key into the vibration of a person who is attuned to their advice.

 

Instead of locating an advanced astral being, locate the person’s instructions, execute these, and the person will contact you in a jiffy.

 

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Experience #580 from May 8, 2012, called“THE 12 NOON ENCOUNTER’

 

MiBeloved’s Response:

Astral projection is okay and so is the excitement it brings into the life of the spiritual aspirant. It can however become a distraction. The real value of astral projection is its ability to make a person know for sure that he or she is more than just a physical system; that the person will survive psychologically when the physical body is dead and gone.

 

However beyond that astral projection has very little value. In yoga astral projection takes on a very meaningful aspect when one learns how to reach advanced beings, siddhas, for instructions on how to advance spiritually while using a physical body. You can be instantly in the presence of an advanced being if you are permitted to make the contact by that person through astral projection.

 

But then over time there is another thing which happens which is that one realizes that there is no need to astral project since one can be omni-locational without even moving from a certain location. This is similar to what is called lucid dreaming, where the person does everything from the location where the physical body resides even without the astral one being projected out of the physical system.

 

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Sleep paralysis is a separate study. It is vital for understanding the involuntary system which controls astral projection. Even though people on the Web are saying that astral projection is something which is controlled by the individual. Most of that is so much hype that it is not worth discussing.

 

What causes sleep paralysis?

 

Is there is a system in the body which causes astral projection?

 

Is that system the same system which causes tiredness and sleep?

 

What system is it?

 

Jettins 6 years ago

MiBeloved wrote:

Many of these astral realms go through rapid transitions from moment to moment what to speak of from day to day. In the astral world, a tide of water from an astral sea might rise over 100 feet in seconds and then vanish as if it was never there.

 

Jettins Reply:

Yes, I've also noticed the dynamic elements of the states of being. To be honest I cannot know for 100% certainty about the validity of actually returning to a place, but one thing I know for sure it can very well look like your returning to the same place. The curious thing that I've consistently noticed when I re-enter an experience, usually a few seconds in between, is that I will find myself in a very similarity looking place but a different time signature. For example I might revisit the same place seconds apart in physical time, only to find myself that everyone is gone except for one person and I find that something is different.  It will be night time instead of daytime in the spawn of seconds that it took me to re-enter.

 

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MiBeloved wrote:

One of the reasons why we are so hung up on physical existence is the stability of matter on this level. The astral world is also matter but subtle matter. It is moving rapidly. Think of the electron movement within your technology (laptop). It is moving very rapidly. So the astral world is similar to that.

 

Jettins Reply:

Indeed, the term I like and seems to fit the description is NPMR, or non-physical matter reality. I like the analogy there. I think the quantum world is starting to have the language to describe these realities.

 

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MiBeloved wrote:

There are settled domains though but usually one cannot access these when one has a physical body. This is because the astral form when it is tied to a physical body, remains anchored mostly to the psychic frequency which operates that body.

 

Jettins Reply:

It's interesting you mentioned about psychic frequency, this makes much sense to me. It implies that there are unconscious forces or drives that connects people or entities with specific experiences.

 

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MiBeloved wrote:

Find astral persons by finding their vibration not their location. Find advanced beings, angels, yogis, and siddhas by following their instructions. They quickly key into the vibration of a person who is attuned to their advice.

 

Instead of locating an advanced astral being, locate the person’s instructions, execute these, and the person will contact you in a jiffy.

 

Jettins Reply:

Thanks for the advice; I will keep this in mind. As of yet I'm not attempting to summon experiences with specific entities. It might have appeared from what I wrote, but it's only until recently that I've become nearly fearless in the astral states. All this year my intentions have been to prepare, in other words to feel very comfortable inside my own self. I've been telling myself ever since I got started doing this consistently about two years ago, that whatever's out there will wait for me until I'm ready. This way I feel that I'm progressively building up to more experiences, encounters, or challenges.

 

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MiBeloved wrote:

The real value of astral projection is its ability to make a person know for sure that he or she is more than just a physical system; that the person will survive psychologically when the physical body is dead and gone.

 

Jettins Reply:

I like talking about these subjects, but not everyone is interested. This is fine by me. It's like with everything else we enjoyed talking about what we do. I wonder if this is the reason why I find myself talking to people about it nonphysical realities. It looks to me as if there's a higher purpose making these experiences much easier for me. Looking at it this way, it appears that it might come from the unconscious and subconscious mind, (and multidimensional states I don't feel comfortable talking about yet) altering my psychic field in a sense to attract me, or connect me to people that can benefit from what I have to say.  This is specifically noticeable in the astral realms. My beliefs or ideas are upgradable the more I learn and experience. There are other subsystems that I'm not aware that affect things in direct ways no doubt, but at least in looking at the overall it seems there's something to it as to how it operates.

 

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MiBeloved wrote:

You can be instantly in the presence of an advanced being if you are permitted to make the contact by that person through astral projection.

 

Jettins Reply:

I'm counting on it, it makes sense to me that I should feel worthy of it. I hope to be ready by next year. Thinking that I might be ready by next year comes from a reflection I had within a dream.

 

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MiBeloved wrote:

But then over time there is another thing which happens which is that one realizes that there is no need to astral project since one can be omni-locational without even moving from a certain location. This is similar to what is called lucid dreaming, where the person does everything from the location where the physical body resides even without the astral one being projected out of the physical system.Him

 

Jettins Reply:

Yes, this explains why some experiences have a movie theater quality to them, and also when having lucid dream type experiences.  I'm sure others have had experiences where you don't move, yet you're still able to see from behind your closed eyelids. Most of by memorable experiences come from out of body experiences. I think the reason might be that I retain more awareness of my physical rationale, it enhances the apparent physicality of the experiences (that I've become naturally accustomed to).  At the same time these experiences are usually more significant to me because there is little or no loss in consciousness as I transition in.  I simply associate the" stepping out of body" action with enhanced awareness of my surroundings, which to me serves to stabilize myself in a given realm. I don't doubt there are other mental approaches that accomplish this purpose.

 

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MiBeloved wrote:

Sleep paralysis is a separate study. It is vital for understanding the involuntary system which controls astral projection. Even though people on the Web are saying that astral projection is something which is controlled by the individual. Most of that is so much hype that it is not worth discussing.

 

Jettins Reply:

This makes sense to me it explains why it is easy for some and difficult for others. I think the natural processes only very gifted people are able to consciously control. Is practically wise to think of it as an involuntary system, yet if understood it could be used to help increase the probability of sleep paralysis happening. Now this doesn't involve simply looking at a chart for REM cycles in my opinion.  I'm referring to sleep paralysis as a catalyst for an out of body experience.

 

I think there are emotional, psychological and biological implications that need to be considered if someone really wants to have consistent experiences.

 

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MiBeloved wrote:

What causes sleep paralysis?

 

Jettins Reply:

I think it's like trying to balance an equation and people having different variables. I would not know how much weight a given variable might have to a specific person, but there could be a process at the personal level that significantly increases this goal. I assume we are referring to sleep paralysis as the mind awake/aware and conscious of its sleep state and your body biologically asleep. The same condition that happens every night minus the" mind awake and conscious of its sleep state" part.

 

Some would argue there's a way to induce a narcoleptic kind of state to induce sleep paralysis, but I do not have enough information on this. All I know is what I can do to increase the probabilities of it happening to myself.  It is and interesting point in I think it's worth discussing.

 

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MiBeloved wrote:

Is there is a system in the body which causes astral projection?

 

Jettins Reply:

I don't know for sure except for what I've read in the literature and I've read irreconcilable differences. I take an experience-based approach to understanding the subtleties of my experiences. Maybe this forum can help me better understand what I'm lacking.

 

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MiBeloved wrote:

Is that system the same system which causes tiredness and sleep?

 

Jettins Reply:

What a good question, but I don't know for sure. I can only tell you how I can practically use it to my advantage. I would like to read your thoughts on it.

 

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MiBeloved wrote:

By quasi physical body, I assume you mean the astral body when it is in a dimension where it feels as if it is a physical form. These realms in which the subtle body feels as though it is physical are parallel worlds or dimensions which are immediately adjacent to this physical existence.

 

Jettins Reply:

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. The astral body taking physical form.  I realize I can step up the language in this forum a little bit more as we understand each other. The word multidimensional doesn't come easy for many, which is why I unconsciously have been cutting back using it I think.

 

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MiBeloved wrote:

Usually when people depart from a body at its death, they find themselves in these astral places, and there they create by mental imagination a situation which is similar to what they were doing in the last body. The person might make a house which looks exactly like the house he or she lived in when last using a physical body.

 

Jettins Reply:

For anyone out there still having doubts, I tell you that this above statement is absolutely correct. I have had more than a few experiences showing me this absolute fact. This is the theme of several sequential and related experiences that I will talk about in another very long post.

 

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