Continued from above…

Wouldn’t both the pianist and the athlete continue endlessly their play?

However there is an end to everything here in the sense world,

Moreover, your senses only give away the tip of an immense reservoir,

So you are longing for something more and are never really satisfied,

A bastard you feel and not a legitimate son.

There is not such a thing as a particular this or that or a body,

You are fooled by the report of the senses through the intellect,

First the senses, according to their own restrictions, give impressions,

Which are now affirmed by the intellect in the mind.

The original report is wrong by leaving out the invisible causes,

It happens all the time, every day, at every moment.

You become the marionette that never knows,

The glitter of the world blinds you,

Makes you go hither and thither after an elusive shadow,

Thinking yourself a separate entity, a willing

Material manifestation unconscious of your inner self.

The first sacrifice occurs as Om in the Celestial Heaven,

Followed by a reverberation felt in the lower regions of the atmosphere,

This is the second fire, which brings the rain that provides food.

The third oblation is grosser and manifests as causes in the world.

Man himself produces the fourth fire by consuming the food,

Thus energizing himself and getting ready for procreation.

The last and final oblation is woman united with man,

Which brings about the birth of a child.

These are the five fires, they are not individual events,

The womb of the woman is equal to the womb of nature,

Every time anything is born this process is followed.

You should realize that ultimately everything is mental,

Even this process and this meditation.

The solidity of an object is a feeling, a sensation.

There is not such a thing as matter, all is spirit,

You are everywhere.

Round earth apparently rotates around the sun at incredible speed,

But you, standing on the earth, do not feel it.

Do you fall from the earth surface when you are head down?

A tree at a distance appears small, however it is much bigger.

That two persons see the same object does not make the object exist.

Outside these persons, indeed there is a common seer that sees the object.

Alas, the object is never outside of mind, and mind is common to both,

As no one can comprehend a thing outside of himself.

If A causes B and B causes C, then A causes C,

However there is only A.

The attachment to the body of the newly born is such

That no memory of previous lives are remembered.

Consciousness becomes a single link of a long chain, now forgotten.

Mercilessly the play of life through Karma is imposed on this link,

To be one day finally pushed out as he was previously pushed in.

Due to perceiving the non-existent, or non-perceiving the Existent,

The darkness of ignorance (Avidya) cuts the umbilical cord of

Universality, impressing the stamp of separation, duality, and pain.

Fortunate is the Jnani who awakens to this knowledge,

For he does nothing in the face of much toil, apparently busy

He remains calm and detached from the world.

But beware of the insidious trap of so-called knowledge,

For this knowledge is not acquired through reading scriptures.

Not even by intellectual understanding of these readings wisdom dawns.

This knowledge literally means “living”, life itself,

Existence, practice, being; the person you are.

You are bound to the extent that you are ignorant of the law,

You are free to the extent that you live and abide by that law.

So see the whole cosmos in this encompassing meditation,

Transfer yourself to the Ultimate, the Universal Being,

As your breath becomes the cosmic Vital Force, as your

Intelligence transforms into the Cosmic Intelligence.

Miami, Florida

Dwapara 301 (2001)

Jettins 6 years ago

Thanks for the thought Michael and Alfredo. I appreciate this forum focused on the "Divine" side of the experience, I can't say the same about my forum. Very interesting metaphors, I think there is something to them. Things aren't logical in a way that can be quantified as one goes higher into the Astral Realms (as opposed to the lower dimensions of being that I frequent). These higher realms in my opinion are states and these states could be so variable that each could take up their own metaphor of being, as when Michael mentioned how to incarnate into a fetus and their being different ways to do this.

It appears as if objective and subjective realities merge into a purpose, the purpose then becoming the metaphor such as the Pet, a real pet Form in the Astral, and then creating the path into re-incarnation. But why a pet? well maybe because it's sense of self or mental faculties get stripped away as the life form falls into lower and lower dimensions of being. Once much of the identity slowly gets stripped away, the life form will then settle with anything or any Form such as a pet. The life form is then ready to be born into a new psyche and develop itself. This could very well be, imagine that. It appears to me that elements of "unbelievable" are indeed part of greater realities. There area also the interesting abstract dimensions in the Astral, where life forms don't look like anything from physical reality. If someone is interested in reading a bit on these abstract dimensions I could look for one in my logs.

Matt wrote:

"It sounds like you were battling an archetype of evil; a construct that your mind came up with that represented your thoughts on how evil would be personified. The kiss could have been an ironic sign to let you know that you had overcome your own fear and apprehension and had lifted the veil of illusion. Very interesting dream."

"Experiences like this are ambiguous and do not contain clearly-defined meanings. They can have different meanings for people with different viewpoints and perspectives. I certainly wouldn't imply that my interpretation is correct. This is simply the way that I would have interpreted it. Only Jettins can truly say what this experience means to him as it was a subjective experience that contains elements of his own personal unconscious."

My response:

I think I couldn't breath because the whole experience felt physical as if I was awake, therefore I created the need to breath. It was unusual for me because as it was happening I thought the experience itself was physical and I was awake, while at the same time having a deep down subconscious knowing and having my lucid mindset.

It happens to me sometimes that I have my lucid abilities, flying and telekinesis for example while still thinking I am awake and not dreaming and that I have the abilities in physical reality as well. I consider these to be false lucid dreams or having a lower level of lucidity.

I think Matt nailed it, but I would add something more. The kiss in the cheek and turning into a person to me represents the trickster element of evil. It will come in any shape or form it wishes to disguise itself in. It will try to enamorate you and make you think it's your friend. Evil or Evilness will always be part of our creative potential. In the beginning Evil required Good and Good required Evil. Without evil, good wouldn't know what good is, as it wouldn't have a way to differentiate itself. The entity knew that I knew, as it is me. But it wasn't an "entity", it was really a "state", a state that will always be part of my creative potential. I think it is part of the nature of existence. Having pushed away evil shows me that instead I wanted to embrace the good, this is reassuring. It is all about what I wish to embrace. But for how long? until I find a motive to get angry with my sister someday?

Hey Evil entity, is that why you turned into my sister? you evil you! I know your ways you creepy fool! You will have much more difficulty tricking me.

Gena 6 years ago

Jettins wrote:

"I started to feel myself as if I was turning into something else; I turned into a type of mist"

Gena's Reply:

I also had a similar dream, this was the time of my grieving process of losing my best friend.  Dream:  Her sister took me to her apartment, she opened the door and I was delighted to see her, she had a white bandage around her upper right arm. I thought, she doesn't know what happened so I'm not going to say anything to her. As we sat down at the kitchen table I said "I love the new haircut, you look so beautiful" and "Im sorry, I'm sorry, I didn't know you were in the same place as I was" she had loving smile, as we continue to conversate she grabbed my wrist and said "Gena, what did I tell you about my lifeline" I replied " what Milly what!" she replied, "Helia, Helia, Helia" and turned into a type of mist.

I woke up holding my husband’s wrist, saying out loud "Helia" later he said I scared him a bit, his words were, "I can't explain it but it seems like you were in the middle of two worlds". Although, she is no longer here in my physical world, I pray she doesn't take offense of me speaking about this, because I'm still trying to unlock the meaning "Helia". A medium told me it’s between me and her, but can't seem to get it out of my mind.    

MiBeloved 6 years ago

Helia, Helia, Heila is ghost talk for

I am insubstantial, insubstantial, insubstantial.

I won't last! I won't last! I won't last!

I will soon disappear! I will be gone! I will be gone!

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When she said:

"Im sorry, I'm sorry, I didn't know you were in the same place as I was" she had loving smile,

She actually meant this:

"Im sorry that you also died, I'm sorry that you are no longer on the other side because I see you on this side and you appear to be dead, I didn't know you were in the same place as I was, that you are also dead" she had loving smile,

She thought that your astral form was like hers permanently disconnected from its physical body.

She turned into mist because her astral body is not stable at this time. It shifts from one dimensional level to another rapidly. She does not have a steady existence as she would have had if she was still using a physical form.

Jettins 6 years ago

Interesting perspective.

How would someone acquire stable existence in the Realms Michael?

MiBeloved 6 years ago

Jettins' query:

How would someone acquire stable existence in the Realms Michael?

MiBeloved's Response:

The person would have to become stress-free so that the mind is not gyrating with so many ideas and imagined options. Usually you find that some people are living peacefully and stable in the astral world if they left behind an old body after living a so-called full life on earth. This is because their desires were fulfilled and they went through life in a very linear way.

So called untimely death, suicides and the like cause a person in the astral world to be in a shifty configuration which is based more or less on their erratic mental and emotional states.

Eventually however all persons on the astral side reach a stability. As soon as the person enters into the vibrational energy of the would-be parents, stability is imposed by the kundalini energy of those parents. Their energy arrests the erratic force of the deceased and causes it to enter a coma (trance stage) in which the fetus is developed in whatever species of life that person is to come out as in the new life.

Gena 6 years ago

Michael, I'm both tearing and smiling. I thank you, you finally put an end to my searching.   I have closure.

Jettins 6 years ago

I am glad you have closure Gena!

Indeed Michael. It appears that some people seem to be jumping into memories and re-living them as well. At certain moments they will be more open to new ideas and at other they do not.  I have also seen older people living in a linear and stable fashion yet at the same time being extremely closed off for anything else.

Thanks for the thoughts!