So if MLK, Ghandi and Mother Theresa sat back in meditation it would make this world better? Or there is no need in trying to make a little contribution (does not equal to revolution)? Our (human) concepts of the ideal world and the glorification of "civilised" world are mistaken. I was talking about that. Not frustration, rather helplessness and desire for a little contribution. I meant detachment from that feeling. The feeling of helplessness. How one can detach from it and sit back in the other reality (the one you are talking about).
I see what you mean though. We are on slightly different pages. Just wanted to raise that question and was hoping for a little hint how to deal with that.
Thanks for the chat.
Michael BelovedSome of us are like MLK, Gandhi and Mother Theresa. Some of us have left that aside. When some leave it aside, others assume the responsibility for it. But when all is said and done, each of us must face up to the fact that we cannot perpetually be concerned because while we are invested in the welfare of others, nature scuttles the very means of our actions, which is the perishable material bodies. In the Mahabharata, as great a person and as magnanimous a person as Yudhishthira, left it all aside in the end and faced up to the reality of nature's scuttle operations which it directs even to the best of us. A fireman must sometimes run just to save himself, because nature may turn against him, put him in peril, target him and force him to abandon his savior-hero role. As they said to Jesus Christ, He save others now let him save himself.
MariaElena CusickMay I ask what you mean by 'playing the game' and 'losing in the end'. There is no end and there are no losers.....and what is the name of the game?
Michael BelovedThe name of the game is survival. Every living creature is involved in the game. It has to be played until the body dies. The end of it for the said person is death of the physical system which was identified as that person. There are losers. Everyone using a living body will lose that body. An entire human civilization is dedicated to protect the body from death. This is why there are hospitals. This is why medicine sells. This is even why some types of yoga or so called yoga is a means of income for so many who pose as teachers.
MariaElena CusickThat is an interesting perspective. If there was to be a name given to this 'game' as you call it, then I would like to have the option of calling it 'Time to wake up...rise and shine (literally)!' rather than 'Survival’.
In a world that I believe to be merely an illusion, I feel we all need to wake up rather than battle to survive. What a futile exercise it is to try to hold onto a physical body that is destined to decay*. How exhausting…I am afraid I do not believe we lose the body because it was never truly ours to lose. If I lose my car/house/job/partner/children I will not have lost my Self.
What is 'ours' is who we are not what we have been given (as in the physical vessel that carries on this life journey). In 'losing' our body ...in physical death...we actually awaken to WHO we really are: pure spirit. If that is called ‘losing' then I want to be a ‘loser’. These words winners/losers however are not important.
MariaElena CusickIn exploring and experiencing the essence of Self (through yoga or whatever you practise in order to touch the silence in your heart), it becomes apparent to me, that there are not sufficient or appropriate words to describe it all; it is indeed ineffable and words seem irrelevant. Even the words spirit/soul... what even is that? Just feel it and simply BE …Know ThySelf (Socrates)
In a period where there is so much uncertainty - on a worldwide scale, it is now high time that we all truly awaken before we physically die. We all need to DIE before we physically die. We all need to wake up. Why? Because once we know who we truly are, we will be liberated from fear. And we will be able to celebrate life every day. Free from fear…only love. Just pure love. When we are all LIVING from a place of LOVE, then the world will be at peace. BE the peace you want the world to BE.
That is a pretty cool prize in this game; I guess we would all be ‘winners’ then.
MariaElena Cusick…anyone up for a game of ‘Time to wake up/Rise and Shine✨✨?'
Yuliya Kuzina Am I kidding? Not at all. Discussing.
So if MLK, Ghandi and Mother Theresa sat back in meditation it would make this world better? Or there is no need in trying to make a little contribution (does not equal to revolution)? Our (human) concepts of the ideal world and the glorification of "civilised" world are mistaken. I was talking about that. Not frustration, rather helplessness and desire for a little contribution. I meant detachment from that feeling. The feeling of helplessness. How one can detach from it and sit back in the other reality (the one you are talking about).
I see what you mean though. We are on slightly different pages. Just wanted to raise that question and was hoping for a little hint how to deal with that.
Thanks for the chat.
Michael Beloved Some of us are like MLK, Gandhi and Mother Theresa. Some of us have left that aside. When some leave it aside, others assume the responsibility for it. But when all is said and done, each of us must face up to the fact that we cannot perpetually be concerned because while we are invested in the welfare of others, nature scuttles the very means of our actions, which is the perishable material bodies.
In the Mahabharata, as great a person and as magnanimous a person as Yudhishthira, left it all aside in the end and faced up to the reality of nature's scuttle operations which it directs even to the best of us.
A fireman must sometimes run just to save himself, because nature may turn against him, put him in peril, target him and force him to abandon his savior-hero role.
As they said to Jesus Christ, He save others now let him save himself.
MariaElena Cusick May I ask what you mean by 'playing the game' and 'losing in the end'. There is no end and there are no losers.....and what is the name of the game?
Michael Beloved The name of the game is survival. Every living creature is involved in the game. It has to be played until the body dies. The end of it for the said person is death of the physical system which was identified as that person. There are losers. Everyone using a living body will lose that body. An entire human civilization is dedicated to protect the body from death. This is why there are hospitals. This is why medicine sells. This is even why some types of yoga or so called yoga is a means of income for so many who pose as teachers.
MariaElena Cusick That is an interesting perspective. If there was to be a name given to this 'game' as you call it, then I would like to have the option of calling it 'Time to wake up...rise and shine (literally)!' rather than 'Survival’.
In a world that I believe to be merely an illusion, I feel we all need to wake up rather than battle to survive. What a futile exercise it is to try to hold onto a physical body that is destined to decay*. How exhausting…I am afraid I do not believe we lose the body because it was never truly ours to lose. If I lose my car/house/job/partner/children I will not have lost my Self.
What is 'ours' is who we are not what we have been given (as in the physical vessel that carries on this life journey). In 'losing' our body ...in physical death...we actually awaken to WHO we really are: pure spirit. If that is called ‘losing' then I want to be a ‘loser’. These words winners/losers however are not important.
MariaElena Cusick In exploring and experiencing the essence of Self (through yoga or whatever you practise in order to touch the silence in your heart), it becomes apparent to me, that there are not sufficient or appropriate words to describe it all; it is indeed ineffable and words seem irrelevant. Even the words spirit/soul... what even is that? Just feel it and simply BE …Know ThySelf (Socrates)
In a period where there is so much uncertainty - on a worldwide scale, it is now high time that we all truly awaken before we physically die. We all need to DIE before we physically die. We all need to wake up. Why? Because once we know who we truly are, we will be liberated from fear. And we will be able to celebrate life every day. Free from fear…only love. Just pure love. When we are all LIVING from a place of LOVE, then the world will be at peace. BE the peace you want the world to BE.
That is a pretty cool prize in this game; I guess we would all be ‘winners’ then.
MariaElena Cusick …anyone up for a game of ‘Time to wake up/Rise and Shine✨✨?'
I’ll go get the dice and start rolling