I think some people have existed in animal bodies in the past, therefore had animal souls. This would explain many interesting things.

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MiBeloved wrote:

Now the idea of holding them to the same standards as humans is your idea, even though you may have surmised that this is my idea.

Jettins' reply:

I never said it was your idea. Your logic is impossible sometimes.

MiBeloved 6 years ago

MiBeloved wrote:

Now the idea of holding them to the same standards as humans is your idea, even though you may have surmised that this is my idea.

Jettins' reply:

I never said it was your idea. your logic is impossible sometimes.

MiBeloved's Response:

Okay if you never said, nor implied that, nor felt that way, then there is no need to consider the statement. Move on from there, tend to things which make sense to you.

Jettins 6 years ago

MiBeloved wrote:

Usually people misunderstand me and reject what I am saying because they have an axe to grind with humanly imposed standards

Jettins reply:

I am not rejecting what our saying. From the logic you applied to me earlier, then this might be what you are implying. I will give you the benefit of the doubt every single time because I can very easily misunderstand based on my biased. You do the same based on your biased.  This is just fine. But if I try to re-state what you believe, and you try to restate what I believe it is very likely that your bias will get the best of you.  This happened on the other post. You assumed that I wanted to leave the forum based on the assumption that I didn't care If you meant it as an insult or not. Intention is very important to me, and misunderstanding is very easy. I so try not to restate your beliefs because of the complexity of such a summation.

Alfredo 6 years ago

I have been following this conversation, and I find it very interesting and informative, and thank you both for it, and hope to see more of it.

For me the greatest teaching I am getting, the gist of the discussion so far, and the tremendous conclusion is the idea - or fact - that there are "souls" and that they transmigrate back and forth into different entities, and they carry with them certain propensities, certain behaviours.

Dean 6 years ago

I agree with Alfredo. All of us on this forum have something to gain from viewing this debate.

Jettins 6 years ago

Haha, that's funny Dean. I didn't start this discussion regarding my thoughts on animal souls into human bodies, I barely said a sentence about this. I didn't go into it here because I wasn't asked a direct question about it haha. But I guess it was the point of it all. I should have figured.

By the way, I wrote a very long post regarding this particular subject a few months back. Since I've wrote this I have experienced so much more.  It's interesting because it goes into animal souls and a possible way into determining their true origin.

If people like this topic, I can re-post the link below into this site, then I can do a follow up post into more observations. These ideas are based on empirical observations while in the astral, if this is even possible to do in the Astral is debatable. But I have attempted to analyze this particular topic in such a way. It will go into a practical approach or the thought process that can help someone in real time, while in the Astral Realms find their animal spirits.

Alfredo 6 years ago

Jettins wrote:

[Haha, that's funny Dean. I didn't start this discussion regarding my thoughts on animal souls into human bodies, I barely said a sentence about this.]

Alfredo's reply:

Realize that it may not be you from whom we want to hear and learn firstly.

Dean 6 years ago

Jettins wrote:

If people like this topic, I can re-post the link below into this site, then I can do a follow up post into more observations. These ideas are based on empirical observations while in the astral, if this is even possible to do in the Astral is debatable. But I have attempted to analyze this particular topic in such a way.

Dean's comment/question: Jettins your conclusion of your post was:

This Post assumes animal spirit entities exist, have limited growth potential and conscious evolution that do not parallel those of human spirits. That is to say that animal souls do not have higher selves or evolving selves. If this assumption is incorrect, then this writing would be incomplete. It also assumes that Independent Animal Spirit Entities can exist and the best way to identify them is by what they revile at the emotional level of communication.

I do not feel there is any reason to doubt your empirical observations in the astral on this topic and also I have no doubt that is possible to debate this in the Astral. From my own astral experiences, I have learned not to second guess my observations however my conclusions to those observations will change based on the level of the dimension in which I am observing.  So may question to you is, have any of your subsequent astral observations/experiences caused you to draw a different conclusion on this topic?

Jettins 6 years ago

Alfredo, I don't care if anyone learns form me, believe me if I wanted this I would be in noob forums or promoting myself. I am not here to be anyone's professor. People need to learn to experience things on their own. I come to share me experiences and give you my insights on them, and not to try to bust people’s beliefs (not implying that people here want to do this). I become satisfied when I can share, not when I can persuade or sell. My style of expression is because I am passionate and sincere in regards to Astral Projection and because I have gained knowledge from my experiences, and not because I am looking for attention.  I will leak my books on the internet after I write them so that more people can have access to them (not implying that anyone else should). Since I won’t charge in the realms when I help someone, might as well start now.

Dean, I still think the same things about it now. Some of my observations can be mistaken. Why? because I don't get my information from books that cannot be mistaken. I use books only to analyze my experiences, I haven't experienced everything.  I do it the hard way in a sense, finding interesting surprises that I can learn from time to time.  I will make more observations in my future posts regarding this Dean.

Have a great day!