Comment to 'Working with Correct Knowledge/Perception and Incorrect Knowledge/Perception'
  • Upasika Kee Nanayon wrote:

    You have to know how to observe, how to acquaint yourself with the deceits of knowledge.  Even when it’s correct knowledge, you can’t latch onto it.  Even though we may have standards for judging what sort of knowledge is correct in the course of our practice,  don’t go latching onto correct knowledge---because correct knowledge is inconstant.  It changes.  It can turn into false knowledge, or into knowledge that is even more correct.  You have to contemplate things very carefully---very, very carefully---so that you won’t fall for your knowledge, thinking, “I’ve gained right insight; I know better than other people,” so that you won’t start assuming yourself to be special. The moment you assume yourself, your knowledge immediately turns wrong

         This is why meditators who tend not to contemplate things, who don’t catch sight of the deceits of every form of knowledge---right and wrong,  good and bad---tend to get bogged down in their knowledge.  The knowledge that deceives them into thinking, “What I know is right,” gives rise to strong pride and conceit within them, without their even realizing it.

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    MiBeloved’s Remark

    I agree that this is similar to Patanjali’s requirement about correct and incorrect analysis being a no no for meditation. Her statement that identification with any form of knowledge (right or wrong) gives rise to pride, shows the angle from which she is meditating and also reveals something about the method of her process.

    Further on in the Yoga Sutras, Patanjali speaks of kaivalyam where there is to be a separation between the perception equipment and the coreSelf.

    तदभावात्संयोगाभावो हानं तद्दृशेः कैवल्यम्॥२५॥

    tad abhāvāt saṁyogā abhāvaḥ hānaṁ taddṛśeḥ kaivalyam

    tad = tat – that spiritual ignorance; abhāvāt – resulting from the elimination; saṁyogā – conjunction; abhāvaḥ – disappearance, elimination; hānaṁ – withdrawal, escape; tad = tat – that; dṛśeḥ – of the perceiver; kaivalyam – total separation from the mundane psychology.

    The elimination of the conjunction which results from the elimination of that spiritual ignorance is the withdrawal that is the total separation of the perceiver from the mundane psychology.( Yoga Sutras 4 25)

     

    In inSelf Yoga™ this is tackled differently with

    • recognition that there is an equipment for analysis which is the intellect
    • during meditation, coreSelf should disconnect from the intellect whenever that psychic gland operates its analysis operations

     

    As Buddha declared that there is suffering and that there is an end to it (there could be an end to it for each ascetic). So, I declared that there is an intellect and there can be a separation from it.

    While inSelf Yoga declares a psychic organ, it seems that the other systems do not regard it as such.

     

    Stated differently, inSelf Yoga™ targets the psychic organ involved in the analysis operations rather than the activities of the organ, but of course that is based on the ascetic’s discovery of the organ in the mind chamber. While otherwise if there is no such discovery, then any effective method of demolishing or prohibiting the mento-emotional activities would satisfy the need.

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    Patanjali listed five mento-emotional operations which should not be happening during meditation. Of these four concern the intellect. But one of these, sleep is something else. If this writer says anything about that, please give the statement, here or in a new discussion.

    The four of the intellect are:

    • correct analysis
    • incorrect analysis
    • imagination
    • memory
    • In regards to the query about sleep, I only came across a brief mention of it in the UNENTANGLED KNOWING book.  There, Ms. Nanayon lumps it in with the 5 hindrances which must be overcome.  I will quote her in context on that:

         “The Hindrance of sensual desire is like a dye that clouds clear water, making it murky---and when the mind is murky, it’s suffering.  Ill will as a Hindrance is irritability and dissatisfaction, and the Hindrance of sloth and torpor is a state of drowsiness and lethargy---a condition of refusing to deal with anything at all, burying yourself in sleep and lazy forgetfulness.  All the Hindrances, including the final pair---restlessness and anxiety and uncertainty (doubt)---cloak the miond in darkness.  This is why you need to be resilient in fighting them off at every moment and investigating them so that you can weaken and eliminate every form of defilement from the gross to the middling and on to the subtle---from the mind.”

       

      Regarding Sri Patanjali’s assertion of the total separation of the perceiver of the mundane psychology you referenced:

      The elimination of the conjunction which results from the elimination of that spiritual ignorance is the withdrawal that is the total separation of the perceiver from the mundane psychology.( Yoga Sutras 4 25)

      I think this is directly implied by the Upasika (female lay follower) in the last line of the original excerpt:

      “The mind has to use its own mindfulness and discernment to dig everything out of itself, leaving just the mind in and of itself, the body in and of itself, and then keep watch of them. “ 

      This refers to a precision sorting out and separating of:

      • The mind
      • The body
      • (The One) who keeps watch**

      **In most Buddhist literature I have read (which is not extensive and is mostly in the Theravada approach) there seems to be a consensus that the one who keeps watch, the knower, is not absolute but is still in the realm of mind and inconstancy.  One develops the mind, the watcher, or the knower in order to reach nibbana which lies beyond.

      In regards to inSelf Yoga declaring the intellect as an organ and emphasizing the need to locate it and deal with it as such, I will address that in another post.

      I'm really just interested in accelerating insight through practice and I hope these discussions help meditators  to remove the inherent ignorance which is so difficult to find and which is so natural to our sense of identity.