Yogi, Night Clubs and Sex

Meditationtime Forum Post

Date: Posted 5 years before May 09, 2017

MiBeloved 5 years ago

Rising early to meditate is a must if you are serious about making spiritual progress. If you find that you cannot do this, it means that your associations discourage you from this. One has to take support from yogis who are rising early to gain success in this.

Despite the trumped up ideas about people being as good as Buddha and Christ, the truth is that most of us are not on par with any of these people. In fact our condition is that if we fail to take assistance from these super-people, our spiritual progress will be nil.

Anybody can imagine that they are as great as Buddha or Krishna. Anyone can take a sense of pride in thinking in that way but it remains to be seen if in fact we can live in a way which puts us into a divine condition, leaving aside animal propensities.

Support is something we must always have, so the conversation cannot begin with any idea of independence. The honest thing to do is to speak of selecting a different dependence, a different reliance.

To get up early one has to take help from yogis who are doing so. It does not matter if these yogis are living in physical bodies or have departed. In the ashram life one has to get up early under the direction of the teacher of the residence, otherwise one has to leave the ashram. I never lived in an ashram where it was tolerated that people could sleep in, during the morning. We had to get up sometimes at 3.30 am or even sooner, get cleaned up, get down to the meditation hall or the temple hall, and do whatever was stipulated as the discipline.

But how are you to be trained in this system if you are not in an ashram, if there is no teacher who compels you to get up early. Obviously it is left to you to command yourself to get up. If you are not in the ashram setting, then you have to compel yourself to rise early if you are to practice early in the morning before your area of the planets begins buzzing with mental, emotional and physical human activity.

Last night in the astral world a person in the UK was questioning me about the benefits of getting up early to meditate. But he said that he has to be with friends during the night and so it is difficult to get to bed early.

Well in that case why are we talking about rising early if you have to be with your friends? One has to make a decision about the priorities one will follow. If being with friends, visiting clubs, and chasing women are important to you, then you will get the benefits of such association. It is not that these affairs are devoid of advantages. Each type of association has advantages. Why tear apart your life with friends, your pleasure chasing sex and your need for night air on your body, when it gives you an advantage?

But the question is: Are you willing to give up that advantage. Everything has its ups and downs. If you decided to crash early, then you won’t have the cool night air and the club atmosphere to enjoy. You won’t meet all those sexy women and your sexual fulfillments will drop considerably. So everything has its price.

In the material world, we know all too well what happens when we stick close to our parents, how they try to tell us what to do, they try to dictate our lives. But is the same thing happening with our friends and sexual mates? Will the same thing happen with yoga gurus?

In my experience shifting from relatives and friends to yoga gurus, I have run into the same problem of expectations and demands. Here in the United States, I have noticed that many people who follow spiritual life do not want to be under the gun of a yoga guru who puts expectations and demands on them. They have liberated themselves from that. They do not want to deal with that.

But in the story of my life, I find that I am constantly under the discipline of yogi gurus with their expectations and demands. And why do I bother with them? Why should I not just tell these yoga gurus to go to hell? Why should I not say to them that I am just as good a God as they are, and therefore I do not have to live up to their expectations?

The reason is that everything has its price.

For me with these yoga gurus, I am like a son, and not just a son but a son who is a minor. When you are a minor, a juvenile, you do not have adult needs. You do not have sexual desires for mates. You have gender but not the sexual expression of it. So with the yoga guru, something like that develops. And once you are a child in the care of a parent, the whole scheme of adult life does not haunt you. You do not feel the need to hunt for sex at night, chasing mates for sexual fulfillment.

You do not feel the need to drink liquor. In fact it burns your mouth and you wonder why people take it. You can’t even smoke pot because you don’t know how to do it, and it makes you cough. You don’t masturbate if you can’t have sex after being stimulated, because you just don’t have a sexual urge like that. Your body is just not that mature. If a woman is there, she is like a sister to you or a mother. If a man is there he is like a brother or a father. The whole idea of fucking is just not there because you have assumed this minor status under the guru.

Once when I was doing yoga practice in the astral world with some other students, Yogi Bhajan came there and said something, but he began like this, “What are you boys doing? Do that posture like this. Breathe in this way.”

So who the hell was he talking about? We were all big men who were fucking women and he was calling us little boys. So what is that? What should we say to him? “I am not a boy. I am a man. I am sexually experienced. In fact I am God too. So who are you talking to like that. Have some respect Yogiji!”

Once when I was with Srila Yogeshwarananda, he said this, “Where is the lady, my daughter? You two should stay together as brother and sister. Do not separate. Related children should stay together and behave in a way which the parents would appreciate.”

He was talking about Marcia Beloved. He did not see us as capable adults who could be fucking and enjoying sex. Juvenile children have no needs for sexual indulgence. It just does not cross their minds.

If I do not get up early what will happen to my relationship with these persons? Lucky for me I have some psychic perception but some people feel that it is all in my mind and that there is no astral world, no astral persons, no psychology which will survive as me or you after death of the physical body.

I have those relationships with astral gurus, so for me I have to get up early and practice. As a child, you know how it is when your parents say you have to get up at say 6 or 6.30 am. Then you have no choice and you do not think that you can just sleep in because you are an adult and all that stuff. You do not feel that you have to be out and about in the clubs making moves to get sex during the night. You do not think that you have to smoke some pot or drink some beer.

So like this even though I am using a body which is 60 years of age, still I am like an infant like that in the presence of my gurus. I just cannot imagine what it will be like if I were to treat my yoga gurus in such a way as to not live up to their expectations. They are thinking, “The little chap wants to be with women, with mature girls, to have sex with them. He is crazy. He is autistic. Something has malfunctioned in his little brain. He is sick. He needs treatment.”

“He wants to smoke pot and drink liquor and ruin his psyche. What is wrong with him? Is he a devil or something?”

“He wants to stay out at night in clubs, dancing, flirting and then later he will have sex. Whose son is he?”

Bhagiratha 5 years ago

You said "Rising early to meditate is a must if you are serious about making spiritual progress. If you find that you cannot do this, it means that your associations discourage you from this. One has to take support from yogis who are rising early to gain success in this."

My question is, how does one go about taking support from the yogis who are rising early?

Is there a particular procedure that needs to be followed? Is it based on picking up subtle psychic energies left by the yogis? If one is not sensitive enough to pick up those energies, then what?

If one can only do meditation in the early mornings and not yoga and pranayama, since the latter will disturb and might anger other family members who are in close proximity to where one performs practice, would that be alright?

MiBeloved 5 years ago

Bhagiratha's Query:

My question is, how does one go about taking support from the yogis who are rising early?

MiBeloved's Response:

This is simply a matter of following their instructions and taking what they say seriously. But if they are not physically present, and if you have no psychic perception, nor accurate time-tested intuition, your only method is to take instruction from one of their disciples, someone who learnt the process from that particular yogi.

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Bhagiratha's Query:

Is there a particular procedure that needs to be followed? Is it based on picking up subtle psychic energies left by the yogis? If one is not sensitive enough to pick up those energies, then what?

MiBeloved's Response:

If you do not have the required degree of psychic sensitivity, then it means you have to communicate physically with a yogi or a student of a yogi. If you cannot do that, then it is left to you to read books or see some media which has yoga practice. From books and video, you will gets hints about what to do, and from practicing that you might cause your route of life to change, so that you actually meet a great yogin.

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Bhagiratha's Query:

MiBeloved's Response:

If your fate is that you are located in a place where others insist that there be no yoga practice, particularly breath infusion which is noisy, then you have to bow to your fate and accept that as a temporary circumstance of life which destiny is enforcing in your life.

Who knows why destiny is doing this to you? Did you do something like this to some other yogi in a past life? Or is destiny just enforcing this in your life for the heck of it. After all, what destiny does need not make any sense to a human being? Destiny for its part is not accountable to any limited being.

However you should do whatever you can to get your location changed. To be honest however, there are times when I am unable to do practice for the same reason you are citing. When I do breathe infusion, it is very loud as far as other persons are concerned.

Recently within the last month, I was at this place. It was very cold and I began to do practice near a building outdoors. There was someone sleeping in the building. He came out and made a remark about waking up to the sound of rapid breathing.

I took the hint and went somewhere else to do my practice. But if there was no other place, I would have meditated without doing the practice but I would not voluntarily stay at any place where I cannot do practice for those reasons.

Just be sure that you are not using the restrictive situation as an excuse not to do practice, because if you are, then even when you are free from that location and can do practice, you will not do it.

I stayed in the Hare Krishna ashram in West Virginia for some time and I was prohibited by the leading person there from doing any asana postures and meditation. And still after I left that place, I resumed my practice.

I could do this because I was not leaning on the Hare Krishna prohibition when it was enforced into my life. So just be sure that this is happening where you would resume practice if there is a chance to have a change of location.

It is okay if you cannot practice because of social restrictions but all the same, that also means that you have to be satisfied with zero advancement in breath infusion techniques. When providence deprives you of something, it may not compensate you for the inconvenience. It is not accountable to you. It does not have to carry the liabilities for you.

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