Transcendental Experience
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 3 years before May 19, 2016
MiBeloved 3 years ago
This is from LinkedIn – a transcendental experience in fact.
Since my name means 'the bliss of existence' I'll give this a shot. Is there a big prize if I get it right? Or am I just doing this for the love of it? Which is really ok, if that's it.
When the golden light hit my 3rd eye, about 20 years ago, along with it came downloads of information that I was left to interpret with my very minute little brain.
So, here's the best I could do with it. I saw my body as light in an infinite field of light. Any of the density of my physicality was stuff that I picked up along the way in my various incarnations, and held onto as a result of my fear of being so light that I would float away. And also from the really questionable habits that were imposed upon me by my relatives and my culture.
I saw a body that could theoretically be sustained by prana, and for the bliss to be sustainable I would have to continue lightening up on all levels of body, mind & spirit.
Last month I was at a birthday party and the gorgeous cake had icing flowers covered in edible glitter. I quipped to my friend, Oh finally, I will have light (glitter) in my intestines!
She almost lost her mouthful of cake, but she knew exactly what I meant..She knows me well!
For me, bliss is not just an emotional state. It is energetic. It's the result of lightness and a certain level of purity in one's body, mind & spirit.
So, my main job as a tantrika as I see it, is to increase my own bliss, and then let that expand to others. All the way into our intestines.
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MiBeloved’s Response:
Jivana,
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First of all that is a fantastic experience, for some of us a once in a lifetime happening, never to be forgotten, and it is there as the promise of a glorious spiritual future.
Even for serious yogis, such experiences are rare. Thus making it necessary for many advanced teachers to fake that it happens continuously thru their lifetimes.
On a take it or leave it basis, I will make some remarks. If they do not apply to you, these remarks might have value to others:
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Jivana wrote:
When the golden light hit my 3rd eye, about 20 years ago, along with it came downloads of information that I was left to interpret with my very minute little brain.
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MiBeloved's Response:
This is definitely a case of kundalini rising and infusing the psyche to the extent of reaching through the spine into the head and then striking the third eye. This type of experience in yoga is very unusual. Usually when we raise kundalini on a daily basis, its effort is to hit three parts of the subtle head.
These three parts are:
1. Core-self (pin-point atma self, jivatma)
2. Buddhi intellect psychic organ
3. Brahmarandra crown chakra
Even though many gurus from India speak about the third eye, kundalini does not usually hit the third eye except after it hits the three items mentioned above and then it expands outwards to the third eye. Therefore if one has an experience where it hits the third eye, meaning the brow chakra central frontal forehead, that is a very special experience. Usually this can happen only if a yoga-guru does some magic by extending his or her directive power to pull kundalini to the front in that way.
Kundalini tries to go up when it enters the head and its main interest when it enters is the same as before which is to have communication with the intellect psychic organ. It is however confronted with the core-self at first and if it strikes the core-self, usually we will find that the self loses objective consciousness either in a white-out, black-out or gold-out.
In such a state the self still exists but it may be existing without objectivity or with an objectivity which it does not understand. In other words it has become disoriented from its usual cultural identity and present self-configuration which it has as a material body.
Your experience is a gold-out and there are more than one types of gold-out. This one is in the category of being samprajnata samadhi, which means that there was still some interested and reference to material existence during the experience. When kundalini hits brahmarandra fully, then it is considered to be asamprajnata samadhi because in that state the entity has no connection with its interest energy which directs it to participate in the material world.
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Jivana wrote:
So, here's the best I could do with it. I saw my body as light in an infinite field of light.
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MiBeloved's Response:
This is called the experience of brahmananda, which means the experience of entering into the level of awareness that is sheer 100% spiritual energy. In this condition the self does not know its limits and feels limitless because its energy is so harmonized with the energy of trillions of other spiritual selves, that it seems that the self has no limit.
Think of being an atom in an electric wire when the current is passing. Because of the fluidity of the current, the atom cannot know where it begins or ends. However as soon as the current is shut down, the atom gets a new understanding about its limitations.
For those who are doing kriya yoga, and who have such experiences, it is important to bear in mind, that this is a level of existence that is running current with our physical experience. This level is there now, and it was there before this planet was formed and will be there after this planet is gone. This means then that this is a spiritual location.
For kriya yoga it is not a matter of bringing that level into this one, but it is an effort to relocate to that level. And it is especially important to get the bottom of the issue as to why there is a disconnect between the self as it is configured in material existence so that it is isolated from that level.
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Jivana wrote:
Any of the density of my physicality was stuff that I picked up along the way in my various incarnations, and held onto as a result of my fear of being so light that I would float away. And also from the really questionable habits that were imposed upon me by my relatives and my culture.
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MiBeloved's Response:
The work incarnation as it is used above I would assume was derived from the concepts of it coming out of India, but in India, the Sanskrit term generally used is avatar, which means the person who descended deliberately. It usually applies to Vishnu and Shiva who it is said either comes into the world deliberately or sends divine agents into the world on missions.
Generally the word does not apply to the limited atmas, limited spirits who are in the world because agencies which are their individual selves. In other words those who did not deliberately come into the material world, and who cannot get themselves out of here without assistance, are not avatars. These do not incarnate but farther these are pulled here and there in the material creation whimsically and by forces other than themselves.
I am not saying that you did not deliberately come into material existence but I just wanted to remove the cloud of confusion surrounding that term in the West. For an example in the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna told Arjuna, the following:
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Even though I am birthless and My person is imperishable, and even though I am the Lord of the creatures, by controlling My material energies, I become visible by My supernatural power. (4.6)
Whenever there is a decrease of righteousness, O son of the Bharata family, and when there is an increase of wickedness, then I show Myself. (4.7)
To protect the saintly people, to destroy the wicked ones, and to establish righteousness, I come into the visible existence from era to era. (4.8)
Bhagavad Gita 4.6-8)
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This means that to incarnate in real terms, to be an avatar one has to deliberately do this and also be able to return to the divine zone at will.
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The part about the add-ons put there by relatives when one is a minor in their care, is not considered like that in kriya yoga because in each body we take, unless we get it in a family of enlightened parents, we will be subjected to that. That is a given.
It is like air travel. If you do it, you run the risk of a fatal crash. Or it is like ocean travel, if you do it you run the risk of drowning. Since it is a given it is ignored by kriya yogis. For that matter we try to find the positive aspects which we derived from our non-spiritual inclined parents and try to express appreciation for that. In kriya yoga resentments if they are held against anyone, serve to limit the advancement. So for our own sake, we abandon such aspects and regard them as an occupational safety hazard which should be tolerated and forgotten.
The part about being so light that you would float away, has real significance in kriya yoga practice. We discover by deep meditation that our attraction to the material existence is for the reason of finding something to anchor on, because in the subtle, super-subtle, supernatural and spiritual existence, one has to deal with the flimsiness of those existences and one has to come to terms with the need for grossness.
Thus the kriya yogi researches in the psyche to see why it is attached to taking gross bodies over and over again, and why it cannot just abandon material existence altogether and be fully satisfied with the supernatural levels of existence.
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Jivana wrote:
I saw a body that could theoretically be sustained by prana, and for the bliss to be sustainable I would have to continue lightening up on all levels of body, mind & spirit.
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MiBeloved's Response:
The subtle body can be sustained by prana, and it can do that in practice, if it is able to shed its need for physical energy. So long as it has this tendency for physical energy, it will keep developing material bodies wherever it is, if they are available. If they are not available, it will hunker down wherever it is and wait until nature can produce an environment like the one we are in at present.
Material energy is also a form of prana, but it is a heavy form. So the subtle body must get rid of the tendency of needing this heavy grade of energy and then it will no longer be attracted to these gross environments.
Part of the process of kriya yoga practice is to change the subtle body so that it no longer has this tendency. It does not matter how great a person I am or what my philosophy and experience may be, so long as my subtle body, particularly the kundalini energy in it, has this burning need for physical existence, I will be taking forms in material existence, either as a human being or less. It is not my philosophy, belief or even experience which conducts my life but it is rather the motives in my life force, which dictates exactly where I will be.
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Jivana wrote:
So, my main job as a tantrika as I see it, is to increase my own bliss, and then let that expand to others. All the way into our intestines.
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MiBeloved's Response:
For persons practicing kriya yoga, this approach is not used. It is a valid approach, to be sure but in kriya yoga the interest of the person is different and that also means female kriya yogis. So the main job here is to increase the bliss energy in the individual psyche and to let the self’s awareness of it expand fully. This is because the interest in bringing the bliss into physical existence is not there in kriya yoga. Kriya yoga does not regard the physical culture self as being perpetual, only the spiritual aspect of the psyche.
Hence it is more like the person transfers and transits over into the bliss body which is 100% bliss energy.
It is possible to feel that bliss energy and to simultaneously feel the physical system. This is experienced partially through what is called prajananda in Sanskrit which means the pleasure (ananda) derived from Nature’s attempt to procreate (praja). But in kriya yoga, since the psychology will persists beyond the physical system, that physical system is not in focus for practice.
And there is another reason for this different approach, which is that if the self becomes habituated to transferring the bliss aspect into the physical system and gets attached to experiencing it there, that self will more than likely, retain a tendency for physical systems, which means that it may miss the opportunity to experience the bliss aspect on the level where that is perpetual, in the supernatural or spiritual body of the self.
But as I said, it is a different approach. It is not an argument or a denial of any other method.
