Swami Rama and the Yogini
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 5 years before Apr 18, 2017
MiBeloved 5 years ago
I repeatedly ask students to keep a journal of events having to do with meditation and astral projection. Even if I do not keep a journal, my practice and particularly my integration of progress made suffers. This means that if I am unable to integrate my daily progress, my faith in practice deteriorates with a result that my practice slows because I am not able to estimate how advanced I may be. This leads to discouragement which terminates practice.
For those who do not do astral projection, who have poor dream recall, a dream journal is vital for keeping track of dream activities, even if one is not in habit of recalling what happened while the physical system sleeps.
During this morning practice, I did not have my pen and note pad and as a result some of what happened is now forgotten. This hampers my ability to file this report with all details. I do recall however that when I sat to meditate certain things happened which caused me to consider that students can learn much about the kundalini’s alliance with other parts of the psyche.
During practice I saw two people in particular, one was Swami Rama. The other was a disciple of his who is now departed, a yogini, a woman. Swami was explaining that even though morality is important if one gets a chip on the shoulder about it, one will fail in practice. He made some remarks for the benefit of the yogini woman who was with him. She is now deceased. She left her last body without sufficiently completing yoga austerities. She was a bit arrogant about her religious morality which was based on her training in a Jewish family during her infancy.
Swami said this:
In the West there is morality but it is differently based than in India. In India, we have morality, a very variable one at that. But it is based on what Krishna decreed or on what some ancient sage like Manu decreed. Krishna set up certain standards and wanted humanity to comply with his view of morality. So a yogi follows morality on that basis if he is a Hindu. If one is a Buddhist then one follows what Buddha advises as the eightfold noble path. All of this is designed to ease up on impediments which will come in the next life and impediments which come in this life from the past lives.
But it is not a feather in the cap of the yogi. It is not to be used for self righteous purposes. If you study Bhagavad Gita, you will hear how Krishna tore apart every one of Arjuna’s moral arguments in Chapter One. So why did Krishna do that, because after all Arjuna was trained in a cultured family? Arjuna was honorable. He was compassionate. He cited religious injunctions. And still Krishna rejected just about every one of Arjuna’s ideas about morality.
Arjuna was self–righteous in Chapter One of the Gita, and Krishna did not like it.
Be moral but do not let it be a feather in your cap or a chip on your shoulder. The Supreme Being wants a moral lifestyle and that is all you need to know. It is not your thing. It is His system. You comply with it and that is that. Don’t try to be a moralist like Arjuna in Chapter One, because you really have to be open to know what is right and what is wrong in each circumstance. It varies from time to time. Consultation with the Supreme Being is essential. If left to yourself, to your judgment, then miscalculations will be made because you may not be able to be detached and to tune into the Supreme Person at all times.
Dean 5 years ago
Michael wrote: Swami said this:
In the West there is morality but it is differently based than in India. In India, we have morality, a very variable one at that. But it is based on what Krishna decreed or on what some ancient sage like Manu decreed. Krishna set up certain standards and wanted humanity to comply with his view of morality. So a yogi follows morality on that basis if he is a Hindu. If one is a Buddhist then one follows what Buddha advises as the eightfold noble path. All of this is designed to ease up on impediments which will come in the next life and impediments which come in this life from the past lives.
Dean's question: It is obvious that Swami is stating the moral values decreed by the western deities or prophets like Jesus and Moses are not designed for the same purpose. But how are they not?
MiBeloved 5 years ago
There is no system of yoga in the Western way. The Western way is designed for orderly materialistic existence without any effort for spiritual upliftment as described for yogis.
So the Western system of moral values are the ultimate process, the so called ten commandments and the amendments and additions which Jesus put to that.
In the system of yoga, those moral standards are seen to have value in reference to this material world but they do not necessarily apply in other dimensions. And the other thing is that just like in the case of courts, the judge may change the application of a law, in the case of the application of morality the applications vary and also the past life has to be considered which is impossible if one does not have mystic perception.
Therefore the moral way used by the Western system is full of errors. That does not mean that we can live without that imperfect legal system to deal with criminal acts. Despite its imperfections it is serviceable and useful. But for yogis, it is not everything because a yogi has to consider what happens in other dimensions. And he is aware that one cannot see all the angles unless one has access to information about the past lives of the individual concerned.
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I got an email asking for a recommendation of a book which describes the eightfold noble path of the Buddha.
Here is one reliable author:
