Silver Nuggets at Third Eye

Meditationtime Forum Post

Date: Posted 3 years before Jul 20, 2016

MiBeloved 3 years ago

What do you usually do when you begin a meditation session?

Do you have a consistent method?

Do you do something spontaneous which comes to mind?

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My usual procedure for meditation is to first do a breath infusion session. Then when I sit to meditate I usually head for the naad sound. I locate a node or origin point in the naad sound and adhere myself there.

Nowadays, this happens automatically when I sit to meditate. However I had to develop this habit over time, over years of practicing listening to naad. At first when I used to listen to naad it was just a sound in the distance but then after I began to take it seriously as a meditation focus, adhering myself to it in the head of the subtle body became an instinct.

First I used to listen to naad. Then I entered into the sound and remained surrounded by it.

My confidence in naad came from guruji Kirpal Singh, and from Patanjali and Lord Krishna. My final feeling of confidence which is unshakable came from Lord Krishna when he described naad sound and the value of it to Uddhava in the Uddhava Gita.

Someone called me a few days ago to discuss what takes place when one chants Om and then meditates immediately after. I told him that years ago I did use this procedure, sometime around 1973 but now I no longer use that method. Instead I used the Pranava Om sound which is not made by the yogi. It is instead located by the yogi. The yogi then focuses on that naad Om sound.

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To develop a consistent focus on naad, a yogi should forget all about using the visual sense, even the internal visual sense. Naad is seen but through the audial (subtle hearing) sense. To focus on naad fully the yogi has to turn away from the internal visual sense which operates imagination, ideas and thoughts. When that is achieved there is full focus on naad and that develops over time into an automatic focus in and on naad vibration.

Breath infusion practice immediately before meditation, transits the subtle body into a higher level of existence. This gives one a richer deeper experience with naad sound.

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This morning when I sat to meditate instead of instinctively adhering to naad sound in the back of the head, I moved to the frontal part of the brain. This is bad move for a student yogi. Unless one is very advanced in meditation, focusing on the frontal part of the subtle head for any reason, may serve to mess up the meditation session.

This is because focusing on the frontal region usually results in empowering the buddhi intellect orb which should be shut down for deep meditation. Even if one focuses on the third eye which is a popular focus, still some of one’s energy might be confiscated by the buddhi intellect orb with the result that the meditation session will be degraded into a struggle with thoughts and ideas or an observation or neglect session in respect to thoughts and idea.

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In my case because of over 40 years of meditation practice, and also because of using breath infusion to shut down the buddhi intellect orb effectively, focusing on the frontal part of the subtle head poses no danger.

I still have naad focus as my standard beginning point in meditation but on this occasion because of the breath infusion practice there was a pushing force of infused energy in the frontal part of the subtle head. It was about an inch across in a non-uniform spherical shape. It was a white-grey mist energy which had a mild bliss aspect to it.

At first when I focused on this, I noticed that it caused my physical and subtle eyes to move up upwards. It also pinned back the physical and subtle heads to the wall to which I sat. There was no naad sound anywhere.

However about two minutes after, I heard naad in the back part of the subtle head. As soon as I noticed it, it moved up to where I was in the frontal part of the subtle head. It remained to my right mostly.

I remained in meditation on that frontal bliss energy with naad sound being to my right, being heard clearly.

After about seven minutes, there were silver oyster-shell-colored shimmering lights like odd shaped silver nuggets glistening at the third eye.

I remained in that frontal area and remembered an instruction from Srila Yogeshwarananda to stand ground at the place where the buddhi intellect orb usually displays its thoughts and ideas.

devaPriya Yogini 3 years ago

First I lay on the floor, arms reaching straight out to the sides, knees pulled up toward chest, legs together. Shoulder blades flat on floor. Take the legs to the right, head to the left. And then side to side like that with coordinated breathing. For me this opens my central channel and gets rid of tensions.

Then sitting for khapalabhati. Two rounds of 100 pumpings usually. Deep breathing that leads to kumbhaka. Breath retention will take me into meditation.

Things are great for a while where Im in a dark heavenly neutrality, then after a while I start dealing with keeping my mind detached from the inner visual stuff like beautiful geometric worm holes. Even though they are nice they don't lead anywhere except to more of the same scintillating entertainment. I like to stay in the dark neutral zone as long as I can.

MiBeloved 3 years ago

devaPriya Yogini wrote:

Then sitting for khapalabhati. Two rounds of 100 pumpings usually. Deep breathing that leads to kumbhaka. Breath retention will take me into meditation.

MiBeloved’s Response:

Why 100 count of rapid breaths?

It should be much less but may add up to 100. In other words it should be say for taking any number, 10 then stop, then another ten then stop and so on.

Why?

Because the lung system may not process those 100 breaths, which means that you are breathing but it is not being absorbed efficiently.

How do you know when to stop and then to start again?

By looking down internally in the body. Over time of doing that while you do the rapid breathing you will begin to see that the lungs will absorb so much and then will just take no more air no matter how many counts you do.

This count system came from India originally, where there is this tradition of a certain number of this or that. Like with the Hare Krishnas there is this chanting of 16 rounds, even though before the guru of the sect’s founder said 64 counts. And there are 108 beads to a loop of japa beads with one head bead. But if you read some of the kriya yoga literature you will find that it has a certain number of counts.

My view is that this is not a good idea because it depends on the particular body of the particular person. In your body you might do 20 breaths and then even if you keep breathing your lungs will just sit there and not absorb the air and you will go on thinking that you are doing something which is not the case. So you must tune in to what your lungs are doing and also you have to sometimes trick the lungs.

For instance we sometimes push down on the fingers (not thumb) without letting the palms touch the ground. This produces a strain in the finger joints which causes the brain to order the lungs to take in more air.

Tension in fingers

The tension in the fingers like this, makes the brain form the opinion that the body is doing strenuous work and needs more air. The brain then sends an order to the lungs that it should take in more air.

My question is that out of that 100 breaths how many of those were absorbed by the lungs, 2, 3, 38?

How much?

You are using kumblak but please explain what is kumblak. I want to be sure that I understand what you are doing.

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devaPriya Yogini wrote:

MiBeloved’s Response:

This is really nice. I am glad you are doing this and that you are not visualizing. People who use visualization in meditation do in the long run handicap themselves, so much so that they cannot make any progress in real supernatural perception.

devaPriya Yogini 3 years ago

Kumbhaka, breath retention, not kumblak. I don't know what that is.

Yes, I do 75-100 pumpings, they are very fast and not quite as forceful as what I've seen you do in videos. Very fast, it goes by quickly. Im not strict about the exact count, but when i feel ready to stop and start deep breathing, then I do, but it's around 100 if i happened to be counting. Since learning it this way at the Sivananda ashram, i stuck with it. But since watching your vids and reading your books and working with Christopher, I've been doing smaller spurts of breath infusion in asana and i can do this during my pranayama time as well. We sat for a long time in pranayama there at the ashram. 2-3 rounds of khapalbhati 100 pumpings, then breath retention, then into alternate breathing, also with lots and lots of rounds, also doing breath retention. Twice a day.

MiBeloved 3 years ago

Kumblak if it means holding the breath out was done with counts in India but I do not recommend that.

Why?

Because the breath should be held out with a mission, which is that while the breath is held out, the system should be working hard to diffuse the energy which was just accumulated by the rapid breathing.

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Recently in the last year, I was doing a session with another student. After tuning in to how his body operated, I would stop say on the 9th or even 19th rapid breathing counts, and then I would instruct him to inhale and pull up the belly doing a locked kumblak. Because his lung system does not process air as efficiently as mine, I would instruct him to inhale again and exhale out again and hold about 3 times before I did the same.

So why the different? Because his first kumblak was for about 30 seconds while mine was for minutes.

The difference is my lung efficiency as compared to his.

The other thing is that I may not use any counts per se, except rarely and if I do then it is done just as a consecutive number count without reference to the breathing. If you count is in reference to the breathing then what will happen is that your attention will be split, with part of it keeping track of breathing and part of it keeping track of what the lungs are absorbing and how the energy is being infused into the body. This is why I do not use a count because it steals vital attention energy which should be in the body tracing infused energy and kundalini activities.

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Once you do the rapid breathing and the lungs took in part or all of the air which was infused into it, then that air will build up in a certain part of the system. This buildup of air is a buildup of excess air.

Now the system has to distribute that and it should do so during the kumblak time. As soon the system has no more excess air to distribute, there is no point in holding the kumblak unless the yogi wants to put the system under strain, or unless the yogi practices apana carbon dioxide pranayama.

This same consideration should be given to rechak which is when the breath is held in the body at a standstill.

Some sessions require a rechak stopping point and others a kumblak stopping point but in each case the factor which determines hold long to hold the breath is the system’s time for distributing the excess air.

Alfredo 3 years ago

Yes, I have tried bringing the Naad to the front, and it messes up the meditation.

I am encouraged by Naad in the last few PM meditations in that it is leading the way for the first time with little or no thought harassment, this is exemplified by a distorted notion of time whereby what I thought was 5 minutes of meditation was much longer. I have also been using the asana you describe in the pic for a few days now.

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