Siddhaloka Failure
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 5 years before Jan 29, 2018
MiBeloved 5 years ago
This morning on the astral side of existence, Swami Muktananda gave me a kriya which he said could be used by ascetics who fail to make it to siddhaloka and who find themselves being drawn to the Swarga heavenly world, after finally leaving the material body. He said that it is best to have a backup plan just in case one’s yoga practice pans out and one finds that it was not efficient enough to get one to siddhaloka. Providence may expose one to a celestial allurement which one just cannot resist after leaving the body.
In that case one can at least have a way to deal with the challenges which one will have to face. In the material existence while using a material body, an ascetic may find that he or she cannot do sufficient spiritual practice, due to imposing social obligations. Then the ascetic should have some way of monitoring those obligations and restricting their advance into the time schedule, otherwise the person will spend the life just fulfilling social obligations at the expense of spiritual progress.
It is imperative to have some way to deal with encroachments and also failure in yoga practice.
What should be done if even after striving and striving, a yogi finds that in the afterlife he or she has not reached a high enough level to be with the siddhas?
What next?
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During the life of the material body, near the end when the body has to be relinquished by the yogi, he or she will have experiences which will verify or deny an ascension to siddhaloka. A yogi can know by reading these experiences honestly, as to if he or she will make it to siddhaloka or not.
Depending on the astral experiences and on the meditative states which he or she experiences, this can be determined. Whatever is not happening is a sure indication of what will either not happen in the afterlife or what will happen in a flash, temporarily then.
If the yogi does not having astral experiences, then this means that the afterlife will consist of much unconsciousness and much activity without memory. Why?
Because there is a subtle body. It does act in the astral world but the yogi may not be aware of its actions. The subtle body is not banished by yoga practice, no more than the physical body disappeared because of it.
Some teachers say that there is no dreaming in a realized soul but this is nonsense. Why?
Because in such realized persons, there was his or her material body which was used to issue the statement. That person ate with that body. That person evacuated waste from that body. His realized condition did not remove the physical body. So it is illogical and totally nonsensical to suggest that it removed the subtle body which is much more endurable than the physical form which he must use once it is alive.
Some teachers say that there are no dreams after realization but before we can accept that he should show that there was no material body for him after realization. He cannot show that, because he lived in that body specifically to tell us that he became realized. In the same way the subtle body continued for him as well. He uses it just as he uses the physical form to make the no-dream declaration.
On the physical plane, he meets people to give lectures and to explain his enlightenment. That alone gives the alarm that using his subtle form, he meets others in dreams on the subtle plane.
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Once a yogi knows honestly the condition of his astral body, he can prepare for what will come in the afterlife. If he courts illusions and fantasies, if he thinks that his imagination will prevail over reality, then he cannot be assisted and he won’t prepare for what will really happen.
By properly gaging one’s astral condition, one will know if one will make it to siddhaloka. This is especially observable by noting the types of associations one has in the astral world in dreams.
Once an ascetic realizes that in this specific life, his chance to go to siddhaloka is nil, he can take the next step which is to secure isolation in the afterlife. But suppose that plan falls through, because after all the ascetic may have failed to remain in isolation when he had the physical body.
Supposed one will only be in isolation part of the time during the astral afterlife, then how can one bar the presentation of celestial allurements?
And suppose even if one can do this, one of those allurements breaks through anyway.
What happens then?
What should one do?
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Swami Muktananda drew this diagram which he said should be used to embrace any allurement. The energy of the allurement would be pulled through from the bottom of this tube in the subtle body. It would then be absorbed harmlessly without diverting the yogi to heavenly delights.
Dean 5 years ago
Michael wrote: Swami Muktananda drew this diagram which he said should be used to embrace any allurement. The energy of the allurement would be pulled through from the bottom of this tube in the subtle body. It would then be absorbed harmlessly without diverting the yogi to heavenly delights.
Dean's Question: Could you explain this kriya a bit further? Is the core-self putting its attention at the bottom of this tube to weaken the attraction?
MiBeloved 5 years ago
Dean's Question: Could you explain this kriya a bit further? Is the core-self putting its attention at the bottom of this tube to weaken the attraction?
MiBeloved’s Response:
This tube arises or becomes manifested in the subtle body of a yogi who passes on just before reaching the stage of a siddhaloka subtle form. When this person is approached by a heavenly allurement, this astral tube appears and then the energy of the allurement is drawn through this tube beginning at its bottom opening. The energy is then pulled up the tube and then at the top of the tube the energy dissipates away.
The value of it is that the yogi is able to take the energy and process it without having to be diverted to the allurement world.
If on the other hand, a yogi tries to run from the allurements, then they get stronger and he is then less able to resist and he goes through a dark astral period as a result and then loses his focus on yoga practice.
Once one fails to reach the siddha level, one has to turn back and take a body but it is best to take that body retaining the yoga practice. And that kriya assures that this will happen.
unlimitedsun 5 years ago
Having an inherently cheating nature I am delighted by such backup plan if attainable...
How is isolation to practice accomplished in the subtle for one who was not able to do so now? What does it mean?
MiBeloved 5 years ago
You have to develop the isolation now by observing what happens to your subtle body when the physical one sleeps.
If you find yourself in varying alluring environments during sleep, then you can begin to study how to exempt yourself from those astral places, just as physically we practice how to avoid associations which will drag us into activities which contravene the spiritual disciplines.
unlimitedsun 5 years ago
So failure to make it to Sidhaloka implies taking birth again normally.
Except for those who have managed to have their own corner of creation to rule and play God.
MiBeloved 5 years ago
That is about it.
