Self or Core-self
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 3 years before Jan 16, 2017
MiBeloved 3 years ago
Email correspondence:
1. Is the self and the core self the same?
MiBeloved's Response:
It depends on how self and core-self are defined. In normal usage they are not the same. In normal usage self is the psyche of the core-self. Or stated differently self is the core-self + adjuncts+ a psychic container (subtle body).
Normally in New Age philosophy, the self is not the self but is the container + the core-self + its adjuncts. However one may not realize that there are a unit spiritual self plus psychic adjuncts and that the subtle body is a container for these.
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2. When one meditates on the self and is getting inside the so called self, what/who is going inside the self?
MiBeloved's Response:
Usually when some claims to meditate by going into the self, this is a misnomer in the sense that what the person really does, is focus within the subtle body (the container of the core-self and its adjuncts). Because this core-self is naturally fused and synchronized with the adjuncts, it does not realize the fusion and feels that it is the container or subtle body with the contents.
Thus when someone says they are going into the self, the real meaning is they are focusing within the subtle body, not within the self.
Consider me. Consider my house. Suppose when I go into my house, lock the doors and shutter the windows, I tell you that I entered me, What would that mean? Did I really enter into my body the way a virus would. Or did I merely enter my house and felt that this was a me-entry. When one meditates and restricts one’s focus within one’s subtle body, within one’s feelings and emotions, then this may not be entry into the self but entry into the container which houses the self and its adjuncts.
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3. In the Anu Gita book there is a verse that states that the astral body can get perished away if it's near a cosmic explosion or a super nova and gets hit by that.
What happens to that individual spirit after losing the astral body?
MiBeloved's Response:
If the astral body is destroyed and the individual spirit is not released to a divine world, a spiritual world, then the core-self spirit which used that astral body enters into what is called the bodiless state.
This is not really a bodiless state but it is described as such because we are speaking in reference to having a subtle body with pronounced limbs and senses. There is a verse in the Yoga Sutras which mentions that state (my translation):
Verse 44
बहिरकल्पिता वृत्तिर्महाविदेहा ततः प्रकाशावरणक्षयः॥४४॥
bahiḥ akalpitā vṛttiḥ mahāvidehā tataḥ
prakāśa āvaraṇakṣayaḥ
bahiḥ – outside, external; akalpitā – not manufactured, not artificial, not formed; vṛttiḥ – operation; mahā – great; videhā – bodiless state; tataḥ – thence, from that, resulting from that; prakāśa – light; āvaraṇa – covering, mental darkens; kṣayaḥ – dissipation, removal.
By the complete restraint of the mento-emotional energy which is external, which is not formed, a yogi achieves the great bodiless state. From that the great mental darkness which veils the light, is dissipated.
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Even though this is great for these yogis, it means existing as nothingness in nothingness for others who do not have the degree of insight perception of the great yogis. They remain in this state by force of cosmic destiny and then when a universe begins again, they find themselves again as subtle bodies and begin the history of actions all over again (samsara).
Thomer Scheepens 3 years ago
Thanks!
MiBeloved wrote:
"Thus when someone says they are going into the self, the real meaning is they are focusing within the subtle body, not within the self."
Thomer Scheepens’ query:
Who is going into the self? yes me.. but which part of me? the individual spirit? the self itself?
MiBeloved 3 years ago
Who is going into the self? yes me.. but which part of me? the individual spirit? the self itself?
MiBeloved's Response:
The composite energy of will power and sense of identity, the directive observational part of the psyche.
