Question for Michael - Uddhava Gita

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Date:  Posted 3 years before May 05, 2016

Alfredo 3 years ago

Michael!

You have often said that Providence is inexorable, and through Karma with the agency of time, is totally exacting, so that the wrongs we do will return to us in a like way.

However, I see this in "Uddhava Gita Explained" and am now confused.

Verse 15.25: "If through carelessness, the yogi does a disapproved act, he should completely remove the offense by yogic discipline alone. There is no other effective method for this."

And your commentary: "Here again, Shri Krishna stresses yoga. It can hardly be avoided because it is the sure way for self purification and for relating to higher levels. Yoga is so powerful that if through carelessness a yogi does a disapproved act, he may get instructions from higher yogis or he may be inspired within, on an austerity to nullify the offense. Yoga alone has that special facility because it works on a much deeper level than anything else. Because it goes to the core of the being and because it reaches into the level from which the material energy was formulated, it can nullify even the causal energies, which could cause a yogi to do things which would reverse progression".

What say you?

MiBeloved 3 years ago

The statement of Krishna applies to very advanced yogis only, not to student yogis and mediocre yogis who have some advancement which we might recognize and appreciate.

That is the problem with so much of what Krishna said even in the Gita, that when we apply to these statements to ourselves, there is a mismatch, and then we wonder why the process is not working, when in fact Krishna did not mean it to be on a lower level of advancement.

We should assume that providence is inexorable, and through Karma with the agency of time, it is totally exacting, so that the wrongs we do will return to us in a like way.

So long as a person is in the environment where the fruits of his acts can manifest, he will have to face the equations in the form of boomerang effects. He cannot avoid it. Even if a yogi makes the adjustments on the causal plane which Sri Krishna described, even then he or she might find that the after-effects on this level of existence are still operative and will seek him out and shoot him down.

But what he may do is cause these types of energies not to cling to him in the future.

The question remains as to why a yogi is on this physical level, even? What is the cause of that? So long as he is here, he will find that certain reactions reach him just as it was explained by that great siddha in the Anu Gita.

A yogi cannot just escape reactions by meditating because the persons, to whom he owes favors for whatever reasons, will require their rewards in their own way, even in a perverted or vulgar manner, and he will have to pay up in the way required. The only way out is to get out of this level of existence and to stay away from here.

If he cannot accomplish that then he will have to face whatever reactions are in the make and which providence will throw at him as it rolls out the tape of history.

In my own situation for instance, I was hiding out for many years now since from around 1974. Sir Paul can vouch for this because he too was hiding out here and there. But every so often we hear providence giving someone a tip.

“There he is. Stick it to him. He is the one who owes you a favor. Demand it from him now. Make him pay it in exactly the way you desire.”

Right now I am working day and night to finalize my escape but even to achieve that I have to get an okay from Providence, something that it is unwilling to grant. It is just like when you are in a third world country. You apply for a visa to the UK or the USA, and they stall you finding this or that requirement lacking. You keep going back standing in line, begging the official, and there is always that let-down.

But since you don’t like being in a third world situation, you keep going back.

So long as I am here people will find me and make demands based on something from the past. They will say,

“O yes, I know him. I scrubbed his back in his last life. The old fart! What does he think? That I did it for nothing. Shit! Now let him be my slave for a few years to pay back.”

I guess I can try showing them that verse from the Uddhava Gita and perhaps after reading that they will give me a break.