Puzzle About Death
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 6 years before Dec 04, 2018
MiBeloved 6 years ago
This is from Linked in. I felt that it would be informative to post it here.
Narendra,
You wrote:
How do air body go there? What is the speed of this air body? Scriptures say -- whatever the idea lingers in your mind at the time of death, that is the body you get next time. How does it happen?
MiBeloved's Response:
It is not an air body. It is better to say it is an etheric body. That term was used by the Theosophical Society. There are also other terms like subtle body, astral body, pranic body.
We can compress air and feel it through our skin sensitivity but the astral body is not like that. It is detected by psychic means only. But that is not that farfetched because modern science sends radio signals from here and there and we cannot compress that like we could air. We cannot feel that either, and still that exist.
The definite way to get the experience of this subtle body is to astral project. That is the single definite way to do this. Even meditation does not do this unless it results in astral projection and very few human beings can astral project from an upright sitting position while meditating.
I have meditated consistently after doing pranayama for years and only recently was I astrally projected from a full lotus posture and when I came back into the physical body, I found that the head of it had drooped down.
Then another time it happened and when I returned, I found that the head was still upright somehow or the other. But this is a hard achievement.
Usually when I meditate, the astral body stays put interspaced into the physical one and it does not separate out as in astral projection.
But from a reclining position, it is easy to astral project while meditating or just while relaxing.
Astral projection is a bit shy of full separation of the physical body, but it is substantial enough to give the individual the confidence that there is such a body. The reason why astral projection is a bit shy is that in astral projection the kundalini remains behind in the physical body, while at death, the kundalini transfers into the astral body and leaves the physical form once and for all.
The absence of the kundalini in a physical body of animal or any life form is called death. The individual soul (jivatma) can be absent from the body, but if the kundalini is present in it during the absence, then the body is considered to be alive or to be sleeping or to be in a coma or to be unconscious.
I want to stress that the personal evidence of this is attained in a living body through conscious astral projection which is really being conscious during astral projection.
I just finished a book named Astral Projection, and I am not trying to use this site to sell that book but since you inquired on the subject, the link for that book is here:
http://www.michaelbeloved.com/astral-projection
Narendra,
Regarding this question:
Scriptures say -- whatever the idea lingers in your mind at the time of death, that is the body you get next time. How does it happen?
The way that is written is totally misleading because it is not the idea that lingers in the mind at the time of death; but the general disposition of the person at the time of death.
No one can go to a heavenly world, just based on thinking of that location at the time of death if that person’s general disposition is incompatible with the heavenly place.
One cannot successfully maneuver to a heavenly place after the death of the physical body just by thinking of that place at the final moments in that dying form. Patanjali has cleared up the issue once and for all in a verse which I will give below (my translation).
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जात्यन्तरपरिणामः प्रकृत्यापूरात्॥२॥
jātyantara pariṇāmaḥ prakṛtyāpūrāt
jātyantara = jāti – category + antara – other, another; pariṇāmaḥ – transformation; prakṛiti – subtle material nature; āpūrāt – due to filling up or saturation.
The transformation from one category to another is by the saturation of the subtle material nature. (Yoga Sutra 4:2)
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There is a misunderstanding about this especially in India and it is because of great persons chanting holy names at that time of their passing from the body, and people assuming that those persons have gone to a spiritual or divine place. One example cited on occasion is Mahatma Gandhi’s saying of Ram just when he was shot, and there are other examples of great Acharya, lineage gurus who did this or who passed this off on the public as the way to make it to a heavenly world hereafter.
The whole thing is a wicked fraud. In any case, I suggest that from now you should ask the question like this:
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Scriptures say -- whatever the general disposition of your mind is during life, will mold your psychological energies at the time of death, so that the next body you get will be suitable to accommodate that psychology. How does it happen?
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How does it happen?
It happens every time the physical system sleeps, that your psychology in a subtle form which looks like your physical body, leaves that physical residence and acts in dreams in the astral world. It then returns to its residence and the residence wakes up as a human being or animal. But at death it cannot return to that residence. It is blocked access. It then is attracted to an environment which is compatible to its dispositions.
If Mahatma Gandhi was not going to heaven during his dreams at night, if he was going to the Parliament building, if he was thinking about the independence from Britain, then after death, he will continue on the same course irrespective of his sounding holy names during the assassination.
This is discussed in great detail in the part of the Mahabharata which became known as the Anu Gita. I translated and commented on that book. Here is a link:
http://www.michaelbeloved.com/anu-gita-explained
Alfredo 6 years ago
Michael,
Thanks for the refreshing piece of information. I followed the thread on LinkedIn, and at least Narendra had the sincerity to state he did not know anything about the subject, the others are throwing balls right and left without much of a clue.
unlimitedsun 6 years ago
Hey Jettins,
That documentary was totally cool. I had watched it a while back. I stumbled upon it looking for a documentary I saw on a rental about world religions and spiritual practices.
I enjoyed watching it but didn't find what I was looking for even after writing father Peter and National Geographic this:
Greetings,
I have been desperately trying to find any information, even just the name of an odd religious practice.
I saw the few seconds snap shot of the practice as part of documentary on world religious practices. The snap shot taken from a close range, but the people seemed to be Asian, looking like Indonesians...
The whole congregation was sitting down in the lotus posture under a very large tree. They sat all around, and if memory serves one member was by the truck facing the others (as a priest).
All they did was utter rapid breaths sounding like ha! ha! ha!, very rhythmically and all in perfect unison. As they made the odd sounds they also moved the trunk of their bodies as if following a pattern, that was also done in perfect tandem.
I never forgot what I saw and finally decided to find it again.
Please help in any way that you can.
And, thank you ever so much for your anticipated assistance.
Salif Coulibaly
