Pranayama Exercise This Morning 11/28/10
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Date: Posted 6 years before Feb 20, 2017
Dean 6 years ago
This morning while doing my pranayama exercises I was able to raise kundalini twice in one session. Both times kundalini partially struck the back of the head, but how did I know it was kundalini??? Well in both instances, I was able to see light energy in the subtle body rising from below as if someone lit a match in a small closet completely surrounded by darkness while hearing a sound which I would describe as a light sabre (Star Wars) being swung in the air or a military fighter jet after it has flew past you at supersonic speed.
As I stood up from a squatting posture to apply the body locks the body was knocked to the floor on both occasions. The first time the body dropped to the floor, I thought WOW, let me see if I can get kundalini to strike more forcefully. So I began to infuse the system with more air and stood up from the squatting posture again, which caused the body to drop with more force. Both times I was able to keep objectivity. I want to re post a diagram that Michael posted about when kundalini strikes the back of the head so you can visually see what I witnessed once kundalini reached the back of the head.
MiBeloved 6 years ago
It is not clear what you mean by the body dropping to the floor with force.
Does kundalini thrown the body down?
Where is the observing I-self when this happens?
Sir Paul has repeatedly appealed on this forum for location of the observing self and his appeal has dropped on deaf ears, but location is important and if you have no location, then stating that is super important.
Usually a person is his or her body, so does that perspective change?
If it does then what is the person when this happens?
Or stated differently if you stop being your body, then what do you become?
There was a statement about seeing a light. Where is the observing self located while seeing this light and what is being used as the eyes to see this light, or is the physical eyes seeing this light?
Dean 6 years ago
Michael wrote:
It is not clear what you mean by the body dropping to the floor with force. Does kundalini thrown the body down?
Dean's Reply:
Valid point. Correctly describing these experiences is a challenge. Probably should have stated as: The first time the physical body dropped to the floor, I thought WOW, let me see if I can get kundalini to strike the crown chakra with more force. So I began to infuse the subtle system with more air and stood up from the squatting posture, which caused the physical body to drop once again.
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Michael wrote:
There was a statement about seeing a light. Where is the observing self located while seeing this light and what is being used as the eyes to see this light, or is the physical eyes seeing this light?
Dean's Reply:
I am glad that you mention this because this experience helped me to know that our perception of the external environment is Not thru our physical eyes. For the few seconds that the observing self saw the light below my physical eyes were shut and there was enough light to clearly see my subtle body standing upright. So even though, I was not certain of my location, I knew this experience was not being witnessed from a physical location.
I understand now what you and Sir Paul mean about location, so what do you and Sir Paul suggest that I do to help locate the position of the observing self?
MiBeloved 6 years ago
Dean wrote:
The first time the physical body dropped to the floor, I thought WOW; let me see if I can get kundalini to strike the crown chakra with more force. So I began to infuse the subtle system with more air and stood up from the squatting posture, which caused the physical body to drop once again.
MiBeloved’s Response:
This is the way one describes this experience when one only knows oneself as a material body. You have to be careful in spiritual life to transfer your centralized I-self to the subtle body and use that as your vantage point, thus abandoning the traditional nature-awarded leverage which is the material body.
So let me give you an idea of how a realized yogi would describe the same experience:
The first time the physical body dropped to the floor, I thought WOW; let me see why I am losing control of the physical body. What is my handle on it which I am forced to let go off during this experience of kundalini going to the crown chakras. If could identify that handle I would know my contact point with the psychic organ through which I operate the body.
While driving a car I control its movements by operating the steering wheel. What do I operate when using the physical body? If I release the steering wheel the car veers right or left out of control. So what do I hold to keep the physical body under control, so that it does not fall to the ground out of my conscious grasp?
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Dean wrote:
If I can get kundalini to strike the crown chakra with more force. So I began to infuse the subtle system with more air and stood up from the squatting posture, which caused the physical body to drop once again.
MiBeloved’s Response:
This would be considered in the following way:
I decided to go through the procedure again but with more detailed observation, hoping to catch myself at the point when I would lose my control of the body. That would be like a long-haul truck driver who fell asleep at the wheel once and who decided to pay closer attention to how he falls asleep. Admittedly that would be a difficult feat since while falling asleep one loses objectivity. So I began to infuse the subtle system with more air and before I stood up from the squatting posture, which previously caused the physical body to drop, I increased my observational view with intentions of keeping control when kundalini would rise and hit the crown chakra.
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MiBeloved wrote:
There was a statement about seeing a light. Where is the observing self located while seeing this light and what is being used as the eyes to see this light, or are the physical eyes seeing this light?
Dean wrote:
I am glad that you mention this because this experience helped me to know that our perception of the external environment is not thru our physical eyes.
MiBeloved’s Response:
Srila Yogeshwarananda did some research on this during his austerities. He said that there is an energy which leaves the subtle eyes and goes out into the world. When that energy is reflected back into the subtle body, a person gets sensual information. So your perspective on this one issue is valid yogic practice.
Mostly people feel that we see physically only by virtue of the physical retina eye system but Yogeshwarananda said that this understanding is incorrect in so far as it did not take into account the subtle vision in the subtle body which is interspaced into the physical system.
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Dean wrote:
For the few seconds that the observing self saw the light below my physical eyes were shut and there was enough light to clearly see my subtle body standing upright. So even though, I was not certain of my location, I knew this experience was not being witnessed from a physical location.
I understand now what you and Sir Paul mean about location, so what do you and Sir Paul suggests that I do to help locate the position of the observing self?
MiBeloved’s Response:
These statements are more in keeping with the yogic way of perception.
