Pranavision: Confidence in it

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Date: Posted 5 years before Mar 27, 2017

MiBeloved 5 years ago

There is a type of vision which is vision through energy on the atomic and subatomic levels. Just as in science images are created on the basis of atomic analysis, the human mind is also capable of very detailed atomic vision.

One such vision is prana vision, which is the ability to see the inside form of anything. The yogi is primarily interested in researching his or her psyche. In that case the application of pranavision is to the various parts of the subtle body’s anatomy.

During breath infusement practice, there might be a buildup of energy in a particular part of the psyche. If the yogi keeps his attention at that place, at that location, he or she might get intense sensations from that place but there might also be vision there.

If something is heated, the force which provides the heat can actually see inside the heated object, and if a part of the psyche is infused with breath energy (prana), then the self can see the inside of that part of the psyche.

Pranavision is very important. The problem is to have confidence in it. If one has doubts about it, if one listens to the view of skeptics on it, then that might erode any confidence which one would develop in it.

The best way to develop pranavision is to practice daily the breath infusion, and to pay attention within the psyche during the practice. Do not let the mind wander outside of the psyche. Keep the mind internalized. Use a blindfold during breath infusement practice, to keep the mind from being distracted by external light.

Make notes about your practice. Share these with other yogis and especially discuss these with more advanced yogis. Explain what you saw during practice, without worrying about the opinion of skeptics.

shahyarm 5 years ago

That's really fascinating what you said above! Now, what about 'Starfields'?! That's what I experience always during deep meditation! It seems like I enter a subatomic world where I can see this in a very orderly manner at all direction inside my head with eyes closed in total darkness!

MiBeloved 5 years ago

That is a particle level of consciousness and is a sky of consciousness.

In yoga one tries to get used to that space and one considers having to be in that state without a material body or without any type of body for millions of years.

Can you endure that and for how long, if you have no way to get back to an existence like this physical existence?

Patanjali wrote this:

By the complete restraint of the mento-emotional energy which is external, which is not formed, a yogi achieves the great bodiless state. From that the great mental darkness which veils the light, is dissipated.

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Analysis:

The great bodiless state, mahāvidehā, is a special accomplishment of great yogis, who go beyond the causal plane but who do not get an exception to leave this solar system. Either by choice or because they fail to obtain the exemption for whatever reason, they remain in the unformed, untapped pure mental energy which was not parceled out to individual spirits. They remain free of involvements. Such yogins hardly interact in the cultural world which is so important to a human being. For those great yogis the mental darkness which human beings consistently experience, does not exist. They have moved beyond the subtle negative influences of material nature.

Application:

By restraining his response to the mental and emotional energy, which is universal, a yogi achieves the great bodiless state. From that, the great mental darkness which veils subtle light is dissipated. After hours and hours of meditation, after repeatedly adjusting a faulty lifestyle, a yogi’s mind remains illuminated. The great mental darkness vanishes.

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This is from Meditation expertise. Your state in meditation is not this but it is similar to this. And this verse gives you some idea of the accomplishments of great yogins.

shahyarm 5 years ago

Highly informative although rather complex to extract the meaning that may in parts apply to my case! Nevertheless, these subjects are hardly the ones which can make sense in an intellectual way but still the 'Intellect' is necessary to digest the information!

You are absolutely correct in your last paragraph in that not the whole of what you stated may apply to my case but I can get a glimpse of what is going on in my particular case.

I am also experiencing a kind of isolation from everyday life in the sense that I cannot discuss the subject I mentioned above to almost no person around me since I may get ridiculed or at best be called a weird one! I personally do not mind that but I worry in case it throws people and that it may give them the impression that I have decided to feel somehow superior to them! I am very conscious of that since in no way I wish to feel separated but the judgment of people around me, I do not control!

In summary, the word 'Cloud' is an absolutely correct word and it is almost literal in terms of the experience I am going through! In fact I see a cloudy domain becoming clear after even a short period of meditation and it gives way to an order of some geometrical plan (almost like an aerial Map!) and that I am struggling to fathom whatsoever!!!

I am also fully convinced that my experience may be so subjective as it is open to any other human being! Indeed, it may not be so easy to describe one's experience to anyone as it may be similar to describing a particular colour to a blind person! It is simply not possible to describe! ...in the the same way as a dream cannot be fully explained as it is a very subjective experience!

Thank You again Michael for your great words and explanation!

MiBeloved 5 years ago

Shahyarm wrote:

MiBeloved’s Response:

The way you see the intellect is the lower use of the intellect. It is the natural use we are endowed with when we come out of the mother’s womb but it is still the lower use. That same intellect is capable of giving supernatural sight, actually vision like the vision we now use with physical eyes. It seems that you are completely oblivious to such use of the intellect, so your meditation at present is on a lower level. But that is okay, at least you are meditating. That is a big plus.

The way to begin understanding that the intellect is a vision organ, is to catch yourself when you are daydreaming or when you successfully visualize something in the mind. When that happens, the psychic organ which does that is the intellect. In Sanskrit it is called buddhi. What I am telling you hear is a great secret so take it seriously. It might seem like nothing but that is the key to understanding that psychic organ from your position and from your meditation level. It is not the whole mind space which does a daydream or a visualization, it is a particular location within the mind where that occurs.

Initially you will consider it as a location but actually it is an organ, a psychic organ. Consider this, If we are sitting in a dark room and suddenly a firefly glows, we will consider that it happened at a location. Since it is dark and since the glow did not show us the form of the insect, we will just see that it happened at a location and we won’t have any understanding that it was emitted by a real object. So similarly the mind space has objects within it and one of these is the intellect which is an organ, which can be seen when one develops psychic sensual objectivity.

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Shahyarm wrote:

You are absolutely correct in your last paragraph in that not the whole of what you stated may apply to my case but I can get a glimpse of what is going on in my particular case.

MiBeloved’s Response:

Those who bust their arse to get material things and who work day and night for the social and political improvements in this world, are in a way fighting a losing battle since nature itself with one swipe can wipe out the results of the work. It can happen. Look at how the Japanese shivered in the last earthquake and how it affected their economy.

But still we have to respect these people who are hell bent on political and social improvements and even those people who are hell bent on an anarchist system of civilization. We need admire their adventurism and determination.

Still, we have to keep ourselves in order with spiritual focus and help each other to get stronger in our quest. We are also at the mercy of nature, in so far as we require a human body and a physical location for development. So we should also offer our respects to nature for this little opportunity.

shahyarm 5 years ago

Okay, so if I understand correctly, there is a (Virtual) organ that operates once opened up to allow a window to the self! Is it not the pituitary gland (an actual physical space with many tasks one being the 3rd eye vision!)

Interestingly, I mentioned being "ridiculed" for saying things some folks don't understand and A couple of hours ago, I had another such response from a friend's friend!! I now understand why in mystical traditions the initiates are asked not to talk about any of their experiences with those not in that circle! I guess receiving negative response is a possible result! In fact, I have learnt not to talk with anyone whom I know very little about even serious subjects, let alone spiritual discussions! This evening I forgot this great truth!!!

BTW, This paragraph you wrote summed up all I and perhaps everyone on a path should do:

"Still, we have to keep ourselves in order with spiritual focus and help each other to get stronger in our quest. We are also at the mercy of nature, in so far as we require a human body and a physical location for development. So we should also offer our respects to nature for this little opportunity."

MiBeloved 5 years ago

Shahyarm inquiry:

MiBeloved's Response:

Pituitary and pineal glands and other such organs do play a part in psychic perception but still these physical organs are not the focus in yoga practice. For instance sometimes when a person is having an astral sex experience, the physical body might mimic the experience and emit sexual fluids even. Still the yogi is not concerned with what happens on the physical side because his focus is on the astral side.

The physical body came into existence because of the plans of the subtle body, and similarly the pituitary gland came into existence because of the corresponding psychic organ.

If we are 100% reliant on the physical apparatus then it means that at the time of death of the body, we are finished. And of course if that is the truth that all our puzzles are already solved out because at death, we will no longer be in a position to have responsibilities and liabilities.

Hence to have a meaningful discuss, we really have to stay on the psychic side, if that is possible.

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