Practice Session - 23/06/2012

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Date: Posted 5 years before Jul 28, 2017

Thomer Scheepens 5 years ago

Another 30 session, this time with some more postures such as the one by Siddha Swami Muktananda, and the other one showed many times by MB similar to the one of Muktananda, where one slaps his fingers on the ground in such a way that the mind thinks the body is working.

I finished the session with 3 rounds of the standard Kundalini raising posture, have been doing Bhastrika for each repetition, lasting about 20 sec each round, each round going back into seiza posture holding my breath in doing the Root lock and Sambhavi.

MiBeloved 5 years ago

What about your meditation after breath infusion?

Thomer Scheepens 5 years ago

Usually after Breath Infusion I do Spinal Breathing, I had been doing Meditation with repeating a mantra before, now not.. actually I am not quite sure how to do naad sound meditation if it's more recommended after Breath Infusion than doing a mantra meditation?

Constantly through the day without doing Breath Infusion I always hear the background sound, like ringings, not sure if that's the naad sound though..

EDIT: I am not sure but I thought I read somewhere you said something along the lines, if there is no kundalini activity then meditation won't give a thing? Please correct me if I misunderstood it.

MiBeloved 5 years ago

Thomer Scheepens wrote:

MiBeloved's Response:

Mantra meditation is good. So what process were you using with mantra meditation. How did you do it? Who recommended it or did you figure it out on your own?

With breath infusion, one should sit to meditate immediately after and one should first notice what the infusion has done to your psyche if anything. In other words you already know generally speaking what happens when you sit to meditate just like that without doing breath infusion.

Thus if you sit to meditate after the infusion, there should be some difference and if there isn’t then it might be for you a sheer waste of time. If there is a difference then you could make a mental note of it and try to link your attention into that state of consciousness which the infusion caused.

Naad sound meditation is important because it can be used as your absolute reference point when you are lost in meditation. For instance if I am meditating some time, then suddenly I might just find myself looking at thoughts or images in my mind, and these expressions in the mind might be mundane of no spiritual value and disruptive of the practice. Hence when I find myself in that undesirable state in meditation, I should have a reference point which I can return to and stabilize myself. So naad is one such reference point.

Another is the centre of the eyebrows and yet another is the centralized axial position of the core self, provided you know what and where that is.

Naad focus is for advanced practitioners who have used it for years and who have developed an affinity with it. With naad you may not have an affinity and then using it as a reference point would not work because you will not be able to hold your attention to it effortlessly.

You should yourself determine a valid reference point for now. It can be the recitation of a certain mantra and then as soon as you are again stabilized you can go back to reaching the higher stage and drop the mantra concentration.

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Thomer Scheepens wrote:

Constantly through the day without doing Breath Infusion I always hear the background sound, like ringings, not sure if that's the naad sound though..

MiBeloved's Response:

That background sound is naad sound for sure. But you have to meditate on it for sometime because you could intuitively know the value of it and before it begins to pay off for you as a meditation practice.

Many people hear naad sound. Some even seek medical treatment to stop it. So it is obvious that there is something special one has to do to gain an affinity for it to advance in spiritual practice. It is just like we, humans have this material body but most of us cannot use it for spiritual progress. It is the same body so why can some use it in that way and others never seem to get the message. The same thing goes for naad.

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Thomer Scheepens wrote:

EDIT: I am not sure but I thought I read somewhere you said something along the lines, if there is no kundalini activity then meditation won't give a thing? Please correct me if I misunderstood it.

MiBeloved's Response:

Let me clear that up:

If kundalini is not aroused, then the meditation is just quietness on the first level of spiritual consciousness and that is not much. Anybody can do that. Christians get down on their knees some times and then they say a silent prayer to Jesus Christ (Lord that he is) or to Jesus’ father (God that is he). So they do not do anything else. They reach a base level of spiritual consciousness. But if kundalini is aroused then one goes to a higher plane during meditation.

Thomer Scheepens 5 years ago

Thanks a lot for the great explanation MB!

I have been doing DM from Yogani, staying and repeating the AYAM mantra over and over, if your attention goes away from the mantra to thoughts or whatever, then gently returning to the mantra.

It did gave me sometimes some inner silence, however I realized that it just won't matter how much meditation I will do, if Breath Infusion won't clean the nadis and effect the whole subtle body then it's just a waste of time..

So I am more into doing Pranayama as much as possible and when more progress has been made trying to return to DM.

According to Yogani, there is a limit how much a person can do DM, he recommends 20 min twice a day if I remember correctly, doing more than that can make someone run into overload. The same goes for all his other techniques such as Spinal Breathing, however many people just do as much they can, not caring about what they will run into, but yet making very very fast progress in awakening/raising the kundalini.

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