Practice Session - 10/10/2012
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Date: Posted 5 years before Oct 14, 2017
Pool 5 years ago
Breath Infusion: Practice consisted of 80 minutes. Lately I have been doing a session of 30 - 45 minutes of Breath Infusion (Bhastrika) followed by a 20 minutes session of rapid breathing, emphases on the exhale in a very fast rapid manner which is a version less forceful then Bhastrika but yet a valid practice in my opinion since long time ago I had success with it, so I can't deny that. Also when practicing it, it takes less physical energy because of it being less forceful but since the breathing is very fast either way the body gets energized very fast and I can hold my breath quite longer for some reason.
After the rapid breathing I am doing a 30 minute session of Spinal Breathing (Pranayama, Tracing the spine from root to brow with a very slow inhale and exhale). The body is more energized and nadis are cleaner from previous Pranayama that I think it's quite a good combo afterwards.
In yesterday's practice when pulling the locks in spinal breathing I felt semen rising from the perineum upwards to the genitals, same like today, I am unsure if this is a standard when kundalini is about to raise, or from having pulling the perineum and anus lock a bit too tight. Because long time ago when I raised the kundalini, this is how it started, almost to the point of ejaculation and if I am not wrong then the sexual energy or kundalini makes some sort of turn and then goes upward the spine.
In spinal breathing today when doing the locks my head felt very dizzy for a few seconds, usually this indicates the start of an arousal.
Anyway, this things are very minor details and I shouldn't get caught up analyzing them and just raise that thing!
But I thought I should point those little things anyway to motivate myself a little bit that progress is being made.
Meditation: I am giving up meditation for now, I feel I should put all my attention just on Pranayama for now.
Book Reading: Started Reading the book "Uddhava Gita Explained" Not an easy book, but I am doing my best to understand every part of it.
Alfredo 5 years ago
Great Thomer!
Please check my review of "Uddhava Gita Explained" in Amazon, if you have a chance. This is superhuman book, tremendous commentary. Michael considers the Uddhava Gita perhaps the greatest spiritual treatise available.
Why give up on meditation after such a great pranayama practice? I think you are missing an opportunity here.
MiBeloved 5 years ago
Pool wrote:
In yesterday's practice when pulling the locks in spinal breathing I felt semen rising from the perineum upwards to the genitals, same like today, I am unsure if this is a standard when kundalini is about to raise, or from having pulling the perineum and anus lock a bit too tight. Because long time ago when I raised the kundalini, this is how it started, almost to the point of ejaculation and if I am not wrong then the sexual energy or kundalini makes some sort of turn and then goes upward the spine.
MiBeloved's Response:
This is a tantric practice but strictly speaking it is not kriya yoga practice. This practice is also a Taoist practice.
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Pool wrote:
In spinal breathing today when doing the locks my head felt very dizzy for a few seconds, usually this indicates the start of an arousal.
MiBeloved's Response:
This may not be the case here. You would have to check but usually when doing that system of spinal breathing as you described, if the duration of retention of breath (rechak) and holding breath out (kumblak), is too long, then there will be dizziness.
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Pool wrote:
Meditation: I am giving up meditation for now, I feel I should put all my attention just on Pranayama for now.
MiBeloved's Response:
This is not advised. What you can do is to decrease the time for meditation, making it for at least 15 minutes minimum. The reason is that if you do not take notes of the effects of the pranayama, you will overlook much about its effects and that will cause your progress in real terms to be very slow.
Pool 5 years ago
Alfredo wrote:
"Great Thomer!
Please check my review of "Uddhava Gita Explained" in Amazon, if you have a chance. This is superhuman book, tremendous commentary. Michael considers the Uddhava Gita perhaps the greatest spiritual treatise available.
Why give up on meditation after such a great pranayama practice? I think you are missing an opportunity here."
Pool's Reply:
Hey Alfredo!
I did already check your review before I bought it, it's a very great review! It made me understand in what I am getting into!
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Michael Beloved wrote:
"This is a tantric practice but strictly speaking it is not kriya yoga practice. This practice is also a Taoist practice."
Pool's Reply:
That makes sense, the Taoist have a similar practice to Spinal Breathing called Microcosmic Orbit. But in that not only do they trace the spine but also the front body.
Could you please explain what the differences are in raising kundalini in a tantric practice or Kriya yoga practice? I don't have really any interest in getting into a tantric practice. I only want to follow the Kriya Yoga path. I have been practicing this Pranayama for quite a while. Does practicing this practice necessary make it a tantric practice? or does it depend on certain factors?
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Michael Beloved wrote:
"This may not be the case here. You would have to check but usually when doing that system of spinal breathing as you described, if the duration of retention of breath (rechak) and holding breath out (kumblak), is too long, then there will be dizziness"
Pool's Reply:
That might have been very well the case. Usually when exhaling all air out when I am on the root I hold until the need of air to put emphases on the root.
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Michael Beloved wrote:
"This is not advised. What you can do is to decrease the time for meditation, making it for at least 15 minutes minimum. The reason is that if you do not take notes of the effects of the pranayama, you will overlook much about its effects and that will cause your progress in real terms to be very slow."
Pool's Reply:
Thanks! I shall resume meditation.
MiBeloved 5 years ago
Pool wrote:
The Taoist have a similar practice to Spinal Breathing called Microcosmic Orbit. But in that not only do they trace the spine but also the front body.
Could you please explain what the differences are in raising kundalini in a tantric practice or Kriya yoga practice? I don't have really any interest in getting into a tantric practice. I only want to follow the Kriya Yoga path. I have been practicing this Pranayama for quite a while. Does practicing this practice necessary make it a tantric practice? or does it depend on certain factors?
MiBeloved's Response:
It is more than just what you want because you might have to do a certain practice, mature through that and then do what you prefer, all depending on the level of your psychic development at this stage.
In the Taoist system there are two practices, one concerns exploiting sex energy and one concerns not doing that as in the kriya practice. To find out about not doing that in Taoist system check out Charles Lux book which is called Taoist Yoga.
In the kriya system the concern is to first infuse the breath energy down to the navel, then to the groin area and then push it across to reach the base chakra. Once it reaches there the impetus is to move it up the spine.
There is no lingering to do anything with the energy at the sex organ chakra, nor at the sex chakra on the spine which is different to the sex organ chakra.
The energy from the sex organ chakra is infused with the breath energy which came down to it but that energy is then channeled to the base chakra and then it moves through the sex chakra on the spine and then it goes up through sushumna nadi into the brain.
That is the routing. There is no interest in the sex organ chakra, none.
There is another practice in kriya but that is done in very advanced stage where the energy which pools in the sex organ chakra is drawn directly up through the middle of the subtle body while doing breath infusion and then into the brain.
It is not used in reference to sexual pleasure at any stage. In fact the whole idea is to forget all about that and to avoid that by making the system forget that and not polarize the energy for that.
Then in a more advanced stage the last step in this is to destroy the authority of the thighs. The thighs are really the power in sex, not the sex organs because the thighs which have the longest bones in the body, supply the raw material in the form of bone marrow for the creation of the sex hormones. Hence a yogi goes into the thighs in the subtle body and changes the configuration of the energy there removing from it the impetus for serving the sexual organs.
Sex energy ruins kriya yoga. It is the enemy of neophyte kriya yogis. So long as it is active and is in control of the psyche, there will be no completion of the practice, because it undermines full progress.
