Practice Report; Surya - 09/17/2012
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Date: Posted 5 years before Sep 19, 2017
unlimitedsun 5 years ago
(Previous) PM practice consisted of mild stretches of critical areas and conclusion in mild kundalini effects.
Mon 09/17/2012
Practice:
Session allowed for routine to be followed. More focus in stretches allow for isolating muscles.
Closing the eyes as much as possible during exercise allowed for naad to be heard better but also fuzzy dark shapes (very unclear at this point).
Kundalini was raised but in a non-dramatic way (in assumed kneeling position).
Belly burning was achieved. Certain postures allowed for burning sensation along the lumbar muscles in the small of back.
Meditation allowed for naad that could be heard all round the head, more so at the back. There was no (clear) sense of positioning.
Subtle perception was possible in the form of shades/waves during session and meditation when the mind was in attention and eyes closed.
Naad is listened to during nighttime.
Goals/Objectives are maintained.
Reading was not managed
Dream as recalled,
:- I was as like a student with a group, there was a coach and assistant coach. We had to help ourselves in the cafeteria and proceed to go to the auditorium.
I had a child in my arms and was also filling my plate. The food was strictly fruitarian. There was a new one that looked like an onion (I was intrigued), but it was a real (sweet) fruit/ legume (not an onion). There were three oversized mangoes left in one of the containers to take from. As I was picking one, the child who was not my current son (maybe my nephew...?) wanted to play with them. I had to restrain him from doing so, because they were so ripe that he would damage them.
I could smell the fruits’ inside with clarity and was amazed, as to the overpowering sweet mango smell all three had.
:- I awoke after loss of semen. Although there was physical readiness to pass the seeds there was no sexual/dream connection in the subtle. Apparently a physiological adjustment was needed after some time. More attention (and eventual understanding) is being paid this cycle, because it matters (I think).
MiBeloved 5 years ago
Corrected words added in bold:
Although there was physical readiness to pass the seeds there was no conscious objective sexual/dream connection in the subtle.
I must have had a sexual connection which happened when my mind was not in its objective awareness condition.
unlimitedsun 5 years ago
I was debating if I ought to have simply kept such details for my journal alone. But it turns out that just as with kundalini one cannot be sure as to when something will come up. I am glad I detailed.
But I question if just as in cases where a young child or an incontinent person may for physiological and urgency reasons pass urine in sleep, there can be cases similar to what happened to me.
I have experienced wet dreams as such. Even at times when I was not remembering dreams those I could recall, since I wake immediately following the fact.
And, if there was a dream then it may not have necessarily been an out of body situation since the mind could have collaborated with the body to provide a let out of harbored substance.
MiBeloved 5 years ago
Better to assume that it was an encounter.
Usually there is no emittance of fluids unless you were lifting heavy objects or unless your system is defective.
Unless you know for sure that you have full recall, it is best to assume that it is due to an encounter.
unlimitedsun 5 years ago
Okay, I will pay attention.
BTW I would like to inquire as to what would be some differences between a dream as an out of body experience and a dream as mind act.
MiBeloved 5 years ago
Please see the Astral Projection book which is the place where that is clarified in detail and as a general discussion.
In a jiffy though, the way to determine this is to work on astral psychic honesty. If any person cannot sort between what is mental construction and what is astral reality, then it means that the person lacks the ability of astral honesty.
Looking at that we can see that it is pathetic. Over the years discussing astral events, people have challenged me saying, "How do you know that is not something in your mind?"
But such a question does not betray my situation. It reveals the situation of the person who asked the question. That this person cannot sort between what he or she imagines and what is real. This person has no confidence in his or her ability to sort mental constructions from psychic reality.
That is pitiful isn’t it?
So why is this?
Why do people who are speaking as if they are enlightened not have any confidence in their ability to sort mental constructions from psychic fact?
Do we suffer from this uncertainty in the material world? In other words do you question as to whether that guy sitting next to you in a restaurant is really eating something or is just imagining himself eating something. Because if that is not a problem for you to sort, then you need to apply the same kind of judgment on the astral side to sort the astral reality from the mental creation which is not psychic fact.
And more importantly, you need to understand the relationship between mental creation and the impulse from it that causes you to engage with mental fact. Like that guy who saw your friend eating a fish pie and who after that thought about it and then went and bought a fish pie.
His thinking about it is mental construction which influenced him to actually buy the food and eat it in fact.
These inner clarifications come individually to us one by one by a complete focus on the psychic side of our lives. It cannot be achieved by some rush method or the waving of a magic wand. If you dedicate yourself to getting the clarification and invest in meditation to achieve this you and you alone will get results and the rest of the world will keep on with the stupid skepticism.
Yes, when as a child you used to fall because you could not judge a distance from one step to another, no one was there to help you and no skeptic was there to laugh at you and make you feel like it could never be clarified. Gradually over time you learnt what your eye was telling you was correct in this way and off in this other way. You calibrated your eye internally. You learnt what its deviation was. And that is how you began to judge distances, real distances, correctly. The same dedication has to be given to the psyche side if anyone wants clarity there. Which parent you know walked for its infant so that its infant learnt by a flash method overnight how to do it?
I do not know of any. The infant had to suffer through the experiences including the fear of falling, actually falling, the embarrassment which caused crying and so on. In the same way in meditation each student has to strive alone and progress. I did it. If you want the result you will have to do it as well.
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The quickest fix I know of is meditation practice and detailed observation of the workings of the mind.
Alfredo 5 years ago
One very important thing about the method explained in "Astral Projection", is that the process to obtain "astral honesty" is non-other than meditation itself, a yogic technique.
This is not an OBE book that gives you some technique.
Thus the yogi can't fail at the end, for if he fails in getting "astral honesty", he is still gaining in meditation abilities.
unlimitedsun 5 years ago
Thank you for the all the answers. Sorry I have not read the book yet (I ordered it).
Yes, it is better to suppose that there was encounter when semen is passed in the course of sleep since it is an act that would involve another.
But I heard things like if you put someone's hand or feet in (warm) water while they sleep they will urinate on themselves. I haven't tried any such things, I only thought that it could be. If that could happen it would simply be the mind and the senses accommodating a situation. I guess the person might think that they are in the toilet at that time.
Just like once I meant to get up and write down a dream and go back to sleep, but since I was in slumber I dreamed it instead. And so I did not have to interrupt my sleep. That way the body could continue to get the rest it needed. It was probably just the mind, and not out of body.
Many people experience this when the alarm rings. They dream that they are on their way already, but they are still in bed.
Even in cases where one may be hungry and sleeping on an empty stomach, they might be dreaming that they are eating something their senses crave. Would that mean by their desire they went to a place where they could eat what they desired or their mind made it all up?
Are some dreams just basic kind of stuff versus the more real deal astral reality?
MiBeloved 5 years ago
Obviously you are the best person to explore the truth of these matters and then inform us about it.
You have an audience, we are waiting!
unlimitedsun 5 years ago
I know that at this point I think that I would like to understand a bit more about how the senses (and immediate needs or conditions) influence the dreams.
I know that I am already blessed with more than I can contain as far as dreams and my connection to my psyche in its current state as well as its previous existence and even indications of future implications.
MiBeloved 5 years ago
On the inside the senses and what you call the dreams are of the same composite energy just as in a computer the wires, integrated circuits and whatever, operate because of the electricity.
I think you are confusing the energy and the components but you can only sort that out in deep meditation.
There is plasma (blood) and there are organs which use that like the kidney, the liver and so on. Sometimes it is hard to sort it all out but a dedicated medical research can do it.
Curb the habit of always running ahead to see what is in the higher grade. Instead stay put where you are, master your lessons in the lower grade and the higher grade will then come into your purview.
unlimitedsun 5 years ago
Yes, I must try harder to focus. May not be easy for me since I am even asking questions in the subtle now...
MiBeloved 5 years ago
Keep the questions coming with the teacher having the freedom to answer or not to answer.
