Practice report / Inquiry

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Date: Posted 3 years before Sep 15, 2016

bandika 3 years ago

I have been practicing the third eye focus technique for a few weeks. During that I observe the area between the eyebrows while I feel myself to be approximately in the center of my head. After a few minutes of pranayama exercises I can successfully reduce the occurrence of thoughts. Sometimes when I look forward, I notice a circular shaped greenish/golden energy which moves from me (or from behind me) to the center of my dark inner screen (probably to the third eye area) and disappears. The process repeats itself again and again. Sometimes I also experience a very little pulling force from the location between the eyebrows. In most cases, I abandon the practice after 3-5 minutes because I don’t see much point of continuing that.

I would have 2 questions for that:

1. Are these experiences the signs of the third eye’s activity?

2. Would it be possible to perceive anything which is different from these experiences, if I would observe this phenomenon longer? Or the movements of these circle shaped energies are endless?

Thank you in advance for any answers you can give me.

Alfredo 3 years ago

The experiences of greenish energy clouds coming from somewhere, sometimes also from below, are indeed signs of activity of the 3rd eye when they occur in that area, and may be an indication of an imminent opening.

However, my experience, and those of another member here (Marcia Beloved), is that 3-5 minutes is too short a time. And that for some 15 minutes at least are required, and for me even longer.

MiBeloved 3 years ago

bandika wrote:

I would have 2 questions for that:

1. Are these experiences the signs of the third eye’s activity?

MiBeloved's Response:

These experiences are of the movement of the third eye chakra which is an energy vortex in its own right. When the third eye is used for visual purposes, one see through the center of the vortex.

In some instances the energy seems to be circular, either coming towards the viewer who is in the mind field looking at it, or receding from the viewer. This might appear to be a doughnut or even flat disc or irregular shaped cloud of energy of varies hues, which when it approaches, comes towards the viewer and expands as it moves closer and then it disappears, while another such circular or random shape cloud may then be seen. Or it may appear to begin behind the viewer and then shrink or get smaller as it passes the viewer and recedes in the distance.

When there is breath infusion this experience might be very pronounced with the bright yellow or yellow-green color in a disc or doughnut shape. It can be in other colors but specifically if you do breath infusion, especially if you do it with the eyelids drawn down tightly on the eyes and the fingers pressing the lids, then it might get very bright yellow. It may also have an irregular shape.

Without breath infusion usually this movement of the chakra can be seen as well but then it might be a dark grey or dark brown or blacking cloud of energy which can barely be seen. Use of a blindfold which covers the entire forehead (not just the eyes), could result in one seeing this barely visible energy of the third eye.

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bandika wrote:

2. Would it be possible to perceive anything which is different from these experiences, if I would observe this phenomenon longer? Or the movements of these circle shaped energies are endless?

MiBeloved's Response:

The movement of the energy of that chakra is endless but the energy level of it is what varies. When it has a low energy level, then it is nonfunctional, even as an intuition. When it has a high energy level then it is functional, even if that is not visual but only intuitional.

However let me be clear that this is not the vision the third eye provides. A compressor in a refrigerator is the most important part of the device but still if you hold the compressor while it is in operation, you will find it to be warm. Why is that? After all, a refrigerator is supposed to cool items not heat them.

The point is that the compressor is not the part of the refrigerator that concerns the consumer, the freezing compartment is.

So this action of the movement of the energy vortex of the third eye is not the vision provided by the third eye. That vision is seen in the center of the vortex when the vortex expands.

All other chakras have energy vortexes as well but we are not oriented to any other type of visual perception down in the subtle body. Rarely does the student ever see the other vortexes. Third eye vortex is easy to see because it concerns the vision sense of the psyche. That area was especially created for vision in the subtle body.

Observing these pattern flows of energy can result in opening of the third eye but it may also not result in that. It may be that for the whole viewing period the student never experiences the center of it as an open space which he can peer through.

Still view this is important and is part of the progression.

During the year of 1973, I used to lie on a lawn in the front of an AT&T building where I was employed, and view that same circular shape of the greyish, brownish cloud. And then after a short time, say about 3 to 5 minutes, the cloud would disappear and I would see through my forehead into this or some other dimension or see a distant place like seeing a yogi meditating in a cave in the Himalayas. I would see through my forehead just as if you had cut a hole into it.

So it can develop into that but it might not.

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How was I doing this?

Well for one thing that was a time in the life of this body, when my yoga proficiency was being experienced free of charge, as a flow over into this life from the recent past lives as a yogi. After a time, this ceased. Then I had to struggle to have this happen again.

Recently within the past years, this has returned to me by the grace of God and gurus. It used to happen but not consistently. I had lost the spontaneous use of third eye vision or put it another way, my past life achievements were confiscated by providence due to my social activities which decreased the ability of my conscious mind to use developments from the past lives.

bandika 3 years ago

Michael wrote:

"So this action of the movement of the energy vortex of the third eye is not the vision provided by the third eye. That vision is seen in the center of the vortex when the vortex expands."

bandika's reply:

If I understand well, I have to keep looking at these patterns and hopefully the third eye will suddenly open at the center of that movement, and this way it can be used to see other places with that.

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Michael wrote:

"Observing these pattern flows of energy can result in opening of the third eye but it may also not result in that. It may be that for the whole viewing period the student never experiences the center of it as an open space which he can peer through."

bandika's reply:

What determines the success of this practice? Alfredo suggested to lengthen the duration of the practice. Is there anything else that can influence the success of that? Has any effect of the correct breath infusion to the probability of opening the third eye or it just influences the intensity of the colors that somebody can see during meditation?

When somebody successfully opens his or her third eye, can he or she control what to see with that (for example distant places, other dimensions…) or it is not possible?

MiBeloved 3 years ago

bandika's query:

MiBeloved's Response:

This conclusion is correct. You cannot manage a physical body until you acquire one. For instance even when I first got this body, when I first discovered myself as this body, even then I could not make it walk. I could not use the hand of it to clean myself after evacuation. I had to wait until nature developed a nervous system to permit that.

Initially, in this body I could not have sexual intercourse even if there was an appealing agreeing woman in my presence. The body did not have that facility. So the astral body and its sensual capacity cannot be managed until those capacities first develop.

In the physical body, we did not manufacture the eyes of it by sitting in meditation and thinking to create vision through eyes. What happened is that nature manufactured the eyes and then when it fused that into our awareness, we began to use it. So psychic nature must act to give us the facilities of the subtle body, then we can use whatever develops.

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bandika's query:

When somebody successfully opens his or her third eye, can he or she control what to see with that (for example distant places, other dimensions…) or it is not possible?

MiBeloved's Response:

The best approach is one of humility, based on the reality of the fact that most of what we are using was provided by nature. Even most of what we create, for example this letter which I am typing was more or less sponsored by nature. All the materials which form the computer, except perhaps the ideas of the engineers were sponsored by nature. And as for the ideas, most of them were stolen by the engineers from ideas already present in nature.

This calls for humility instead of arrogance where we feel that we are on top of it and we can control it. Just to exist here to type this response means that I am taking help from the sun, the moon, the air and so on. If these were removed then my whole initiative would be ruined immediately. And that is not fantasy because it does happen that sometimes the most enterprising human being finds that it is all over.

Where is Steve Jobs, the big man from Apple? Wherever he is, he is still that individual person but he no longer has the supports of this physical environment, so in terms of this, he is not a nothing, a zero.

Approach this with humility to nature to know that nature has engineered this, and that includes the psychic side of this, the subtle body. Nature is doing all of this. Your part if you want to get some understanding from nature is to be the silent and non-interfering observer. The secret is to be in an existential position where you can be the silent observer, where nature feels that it no longer needs to hide its operations from you.

In this conversation is it not about controlling where you go astrally. What is that? Why is that coming up? Did I really control where I am located now>? Did I control the big ban and the age of the dinosaur, so that now after so many millions of years, I was to emerge as a modern human being?

This is ridiculous. Why are we talking about this? Our position is that of observer. We did not create this. We are not going to control this. That is not going to happen. So why should we waste time considering the situation in terms of control.

Why are we thinking of controlling the astral body? Suddenly we are going to control something, which according to the yoga books, was existing for the creation of the universe. So this was here for the past 13 billion years and now suddenly I get a hair up my arse and I am going to control this. That does not make any sense. It is illogical.

Try to observe and to go along with what nature is doing to remain in such a subtle place that you can detect the slightest movement of nature. If you adopt the controlling stance, then you will lose out on this, because nature may think that you are an upstart and then it will hide these operations from you and leave you with visualizations which are your imaginations only.

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Breath infusion does help to cause the opening of the third eye but it is not the only cause of this. The main reason why the third eye is shut down, is the materialistic interest which we maintain and pursue.

It is our strong interest in physical existence that causes us to ignore the subtle body. When that interest in physical existence slackens then some of it will go over into the subtle body and that will cause the developing of the psychic senses of that subtle form.

Even if you do breath infusion or whatever, even then if your materialistic focus is not decreased progressively, there will be no development of the psychic senses of the subtle body because for that development a certain percentage of your interest has to be resident in the subtle body consistently for a certain period of time.

A flash interest in opening third eye cannot support the opening of the third eye on a consistent basis.

bandika 3 years ago

Thank you for both of your reply!

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