Practicality of Patanjali’s Method
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Date: Posted 4 years before Jun 22, 2018
MiBeloved 4 years ago
Email remark:
There may be an infinite ways to achieve samadhi avastha, one of them is what is stated by Patanjali. Now, unless you become Patanjali yourself, you cannot say you are mastering Kundalini yoga, isn't it so? To master anything, you should be more than it or may be the same as it. pl. explain.
MiBeloved's Response:
Patanjali, though long departed is one of our yoga gurus, so much so that even though he existed so many thousands of years ago, still his instruction is effective in our lives just as if he were here physically today. That is the potency which we feel from his Yoga Sutras.
It is not necessary to become Patanjali to derive benefit from his method. Someone else who is not Patanjali but who is attuned to his instructions can make progress just the same and advance along the guides and syllabus established by him.
In regards to kundalini yoga, the mastery of it is attained over time by any sincere student who has a capable teacher or who does not have a teacher but who has the required psychic sensitivity to study the movements of kundalini in the psyche and then put checking influences on it.
Mastery can be attained even if one is not as powerful as the opponent. This is done by careful study and implementation of a method which will eventually cause one to overpower the opponent.
In the Srimad Bhagavatam (Bhagavata Purana, Canto 4), we hear that when Narada describe kundalini to King Prachinabarhi, Narada said that Puranjan, a great king was occupied enjoying the features of the human body but did not pay any attention to the five hooded serpent which was the maintenance agent in the city of Bhogavatee.
From that we learnt that if we were attentive to the kundalini we would in time take control of its territory, the psyche, and then over time we would control it properly.
First you must somehow procure an able teacher, who mastered kundalini and then get a method from that person. This teacher could be long dead and gone like Patanjali, or he (she) may be using a physical body. It does not matter if the teacher is dead or alive, because in every case, of being deceased or of using a physical body, the entity is spiritual existent and can be reached for advisories.
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Email remark:
So, should we focus based on keeping final aim of achieving like Nirvalkap avastha?-that's not possible per my view. If we decide something to do, that means, we are trying to fix something, which is called nothing but static- Jada. To be dynamic, we should be "sahaja" or "instantaneous" or "Spontaneous". Nothing to achieve or loose. Again here "should" causes as a problem, so just "Be"..Actually any language has it's own limitations, so I am not able to put it completely. I try to follow as just :" be present at the moment ".
Pl. have your words..
MiBeloved's Response:
I feel that if I want to migrate to a developed country my primary aim at first would be to qualify for a visa. At first focusing and conceiving of living in that other country won’t do anything but serve the pleasure of imagination. To be practical, I need to zero in on that visa, and then taking things step by step.
Nirvikalpa Samadhi for all it is and all that it is reputed to be is a pipe dream for most of the yoga students because they do not qualify mentally because they do not reach up to the expectation of Patanjali which is yogah cittavritti nirodhah or the complete shut down the life force influence in the body (kundalini shakti squeeze-off).
Pretending that I attained nirvalkalpa, visualizing it and being satisfied mentally that I attained it, has nothing to do with my actual condition of mind. Therefore I have put nirvalkalpa on the back burner because like chickpeas (channa/garbanzo) it is a hard-boil which will take hours to reach an edible state. In the meantime, I will cook up something which I can achieve, something like lentils or black-eyed peas.
Parts of yoga practice are spontaneous but it is not so for all of it. Some of it has to be learnt and then practiced, learnt and then practiced, just as it was for us when we were infants and were sent to school by our parents.
Learning is not all spontaneous and we should not think that it should be so, because otherwise that thinking would be a manifestation of arrogance, a belief that we are capable of discovering everything all by yourself, something which evidence does not support.
If someone has gone on a journey, then we can learn from that person about the route and circumstances there. And if we are on a journey and someone with it has an intuition that works to chart out the path, then we should recognize that person’s ability and take help, instead of arrogantly thinking that we are everything all by ourselves and that we have the potential to be everybody.
