Patanjali Yoga and Chi Kung Relationship
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 5 years before Mar 05, 2018
Marcia Beloved 5 years ago
A video and comment were posted by Aspiring Siddha last August. Actually, there are 4 videos and I have given all of the links below. Only a handful of members viewed these so I am putting it out there for a second look, hoping more will watch:
Video Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26pJkYhHGek
Video Title: A Discourse on the Heart Sutra, with Chi Kung - Part1 (Posted by Pathgate Theatre)
Video Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=Unky5j0I598&feature=endscreen
Video Title: A Discourse on the Heart Sutra, with Chi Kung - Part2 (Posted by Pathgate Theatre)
Video Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtTKmhSRLW8&NR=1&feature=endscreen
Video Title: A Discourse on the Heart Sutra, with Chi Kung - Part3 (Posted by Pathgate Theatre)
Video Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr_kgirnAxM&NR=1&feature=endscreen
Video Title: A Discourse on the Heart Sutra, with Chi Kung - Part4 (Posted by Pathgate Theatre)
Aspiring Siddha asked:
I was wondering where does this fit into Patanjali Yoga?
Marcia Beloved’s Reply:
First I wish to comment that this demonstration is really powerful and beautiful. The narration by Rinpoche is full of wisdom.
· The stress on ethics is significant.
· Also the recommendation to cease the mood of rivalry.
· The Rinpoche states that the control of energy is related to the degree that one more and more aligns one's actions to one's thinking. (and obviously as one is specifically trained to do this).
As I listened, I remembered what Jettins mentioned on our forum, about the link between personal authenticity and the ability to induce and be conscious in out-of-the-body-experiences.
I will take a chance on answering Aspiring Siddha's question, and say that this mastery is a siddhi, a mystic power developed through mastery of the yamas, niyamas, pratyahara, pranayama, dharana, dhyana and samadhi. Of course, different traditions have different terms for these, but the skill would be a byproduct of serious spiritual practice and development.
Kundalini is involved; not just the teacher's own kundalini but also the ability to control the kundalini of all those around him.
Fascinating!!!!
Hoping to hear what others think and have to say about this......
MiBeloved 5 years ago
Aspiring Siddha asked:
I was wondering where does this fit into Patanjali Yoga?
MiBeloved's Response:
Patanjali does not fit into this system because this type of chi kung/ tai chi has to do with the individual’s relationship with the world outside of the material body and in the advanced stages the world outside the subtle body (the astral world).
Patanjali is concerned with the world inside of the subtle body. And his discipline is not concerned with the challenges outside.
For instance there is the stress of the guruji in the video on rivalry so in Patanjali or kriya yoga there is a struggle where the buddhi intellect orb and even the kundalini are in rivalry with the core-self for dominance over the actions of the psyche. So there is this internal kung fu which goes on in kriya practice.
I hope this clears up the difference in these practices.
AspiringSiddha 5 years ago
Thank you for giving a simple answer. It is answered.
Dean 5 years ago
This video was very informative because this provides further evidence for me that the advance practice of Chi Kung has the same or similar goal as kriya yoga. Its purpose is for self-realization and cleaning out the subtle body of dark astral energy which seems to be created by our own internal conflict (rivalry).
There is no way that the gentlemen in the video Master Lama Dondrup Dorje could have mentally linked into that energy he displays if he did not have a consistent spiritual practice and his subtle body was not filled with energy from the higher dimensions.
In the video Lama Dondrup Dorje stated: “But if your mind is not pure, your intent is not pure, you cannot do it.” He also mentions how the Chinese Classics texts are part of the training which stresses ethics.
Michael recently wrote in this post regarding the same type of practice in kriya yoga: Types of Love
Michael starts by saying….”I feel that deliberate unconditional love, planned thought-thru unconditional love has a high potential to be motivated while spontaneous non-planned automatic applications of unconditional love are the real thing.”
And he ends by stating…. “Something to be considered also is the recipient of a selfless act. Does it matter or does it made a difference who benefits from a selfless act. Today in the world we have a problem with extremists who perform ghastly acts for their cause. One part of the act is for the benefit of the offended people, and may be regarded as a selfless act, but the other part of it which related to those who are injured or killed is a selfish act. In those cases the same act has a two part aspect to it, selfless and selfish.”
I interpret this to mean that mental practice is required for the entity to be ever vigilant in your own mind space so you can make a “deliberate” action when that moment arises to carry out that selfless act. Which means there has to be very little mental confusion, so you can be sensitive enough to know when the time is right to perform the selfless action. This has to be cultivated through a spiritual practice whether its kriya yoga, Chi Kung or in my case the combination of the two.
When Michael first introduced kundalini breathing exercises to me in July 2009, he knew that I had been practicing Tai-Chi for about 18 years. My Tai-Chi teacher considered me to be one of his most advanced students because I understood that Tai-Chi/Chi Kung was an internal art and I deliberately practiced as such.
However, unbeknownst to me, Michael was aware of my past life practice of Taoism and The Chinese Classic texts. So when he showed me the breathing exercises, I was instructed to mentally perform my Tai-Chi postures in my meditation for the first six to eight months and cease performing them physically during that time period because he said those postures are meant to be done in the subtle body.
So my spiritual practice and routine began…I would rise before the Sun(between 4-5 am), do 30-40 minutes of breath infusion(kundalini yoga) then lie on my back for another 30-40 minutes to mediate and mentally perform my Tai-Chi exercises. I did this for seven months consecutively before trying to physically perform the Tai-Chi postures again.
Upon returning to practice sessions with my Tai-Chi teacher who I had not seen in a year, he was extremely astonished on how my practice and form had advanced so rapidly in such a short period of time.
Also, in the video Lama Dondrup Dorje stated: “Chi Kung practice are about where your mind extends your energy goes with it.”
My teacher always told me this was the main objective of Tai-Chi practice and found further evidence from reading books such as Mind Over Matter: Higher Martial Arts.
He also stresses in the video: “If things are not going so well, I hurt myself and I lost my job. Examine it by understanding the dynamic of cause and effect. That is, whatever happens now is a result of something that has happened before. If that is the case that means you are responsible for it.” And “If you are responsible for it, then you say, I am grateful that it happened, it allows me the chance to purify the defilement in my mind stream.”
This is obviously referring to past life actions (karmic reactions) catching up to you in your current life. For the spiritual practice to be effective it has to account for those actions or you can forget about relocating to any higher dimensions because those prior actions will continue to weigh you down by creating more dark astral energy in your psyche.
Michael makes reference to applications of these processes in this post called Yogas – Combinations.
In my conclusion, it appears to me that whether its kriya yoga or higher martial arts, these yogis whether from China or India have a consistent spiritual practice whose goal is self-realization and leads to accepting what destiny has put in your path opposed to denying any involvement.
Creating that rivalry only causes internal conflict and derails your spiritual practice.
Marcia, Thanks for re-posting this video, I gained a ton of insight from it.
