Orgasms and Nicotine
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 3 years before Jun 08, 2016
Frank 3 years ago
My old roommate that introduced me to Kriya Yoga told me that I am wasting my time meditating if I am smoking cigarettes daily. I've cut down a lot, but not completely. are there nicotine plants in the astral that are sucking the life out of me right now? and, since I am smoking cigarettes is that making the raising of my energies impossible/improbable?
I also have a question about sex:
If I climax is that making the effort to raise my energies futile?
MiBeloved 3 years ago
Frank Wrote:
My old roommate that introduced me to Kriya Yoga told me that I am wasting my time meditating if I am smoking cigarettes daily. I've cut down a lot, but not completely. Are there nicotine plants in the astral that are sucking the life out of me right now? and, since I am smoking cigarettes is that making the raising of my energies impossible/improbable?
MiBeloved’s Response:
If you are doing Patanjali yoga then cigarettes are a no no and so is anything or plant which affects consciousness perception. The idea is to gain the upper hand in influencing consciousness by mental decision without the help of narcotics, nicotine or any other type of drug or herb.
All plants are present in the astral world, because all plants have astral bodies. But just as in this world, one may not be in a location where a certain herb is available, so in the astral world you might find yourself in a place where there are no tobacco plants or whatever herb you need.
It is only recently, say within the last 150 years that certain substances are available all over the world, based more or less on mechanically powered ships and then jet powered aircraft. If we remove that, then a person living say in London would not have any tobacco and may not have even known that such a plant existed. So it is like that in the astral world as well, where in some dimensions certain things are totally absent and cannot even be thought of by the people who exist there.
Cigarettes are doing something for you, otherwise you would not keep smoking them. So what is it that you are getting from nicotine? Why not try to read up on it in the internet as to what nicotine does to the nerves and brain and then make your decision if you want to keep getting the benefit. Of course there is the downside which is lung failure and cancer. If you give up smoking and take nicotine intravenously, there might be a down side like heart problems, artery constriction, kidney damage and so on.
Read up on in and then make your decision as to whether it is worth it or not. Then once you make that decision, you have to consider if you have the power to resist the urge to use it. That is another issue but you can face up to that once you are properly educated about the benefits and disadvantages of smoking it or even taking nicotine through syringe or orally.
Let’s know what you decide.
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Frank Wrote:
I also have a question about sex:
If I climax is that making the effort to raise my energies futile?
MiBeloved’s Response:
If you are raising your energies via a yoga process, then you should see that as a separate account, like if you have two bank accounts. Keep these accounts separate. In other words your social life and your yoga meditation life should not be mixed.
Keep your yoga going even if your social life falls apart. If your social bank account is burnt out or if it is a loan which you just can’t seem to pay, then make sure that this does not feed over into your yoga life.
Give yoga its half hour, hour or two hours per day consistently no matter what.
Will your social mishaps and expenses, feed over into your yoga account?
The answer is a flat Yes.
But so what? This is the way it is. Do not lose any sleep over it. Just be sure to keep doing your practice no matter how bad it gets on the social side.
Using out the reserve of sexual energy does have an effect on kundalini practice. It also has an effect on meditation practice. But the solution is found in a different perspective which is to find out why you have to use out the reserve.
What compels you to expend the energy?
Can you reduce your exposure to that force or association which compels you like this?
Frank 3 years ago
thank you for the speedy response Michael.
Michael Wrote:
What compels you to expend the energy?
Can you reduce your exposure to that force or association which compels you like this?
Frank’s Reply:
One female in particular brings it out of me, I can reduce my exposure to her. if I am lucky I see her maybe once every 2 weeks. when I do see her, the temptation is there.
when I am by myself, the temptation is also there. not to act out with another partner, but fulfilling my own greedy wants by myself. the drive to climax seems more habitual than anything else. I'm trying to stay totally conscious throughout the day. I realized that the more "aware" I am of my tendencies, the less they happen.
as far as the nicotine addiction goes, I will take your advice and look more into it. When I think long and hard about the cigarette that I am smoking, I hate it. absolutely hate it. I cannot find any reason to justify why I continue to smoke, yet I continue to do it so there must be some gratifying effects that I am not totally aware of. the bad completely outweighs the good, yet I continue doing it.
unlimitedsun 3 years ago
Frank Wrote: As far as nicotine addiction goes,..., yet I continue doing it.
unlimitedsun’s Response:
Frank you have very nicely defined addiction in this paragraph. That being the case, if you haven't done so in the past, why not join a smoke cessation group?
Even if you have, the more times you quit the more you increase your chances to succeed. It is an insidious process; unless of course you'd rather go for cold turkey, easy thing the day after thanks giving.
MiBeloved 3 years ago
I really feel that you do not understand that there is benefit to smoking. You do not know what those benefits are. So long as you do not know that there is no chance for stopping this.
Mostly we are caught in bad habits, in vices, because of the benefits which we hide from ourselves or which nature hides from us. As soon as we can see what the benefit is then we can see clearly if it is worth it to continue the habit.
Again I suggest you read up on what the brain does with nicotine, what the rest of the body does with it, why the brain calls for it again and again. Find out about this. It is documented. It is not that we are back in the 1600s or sometime when it was first introduced to certain countries. We have used it for some time and they have carefully checked on what happens in the brain and why the brain cells get mad and forces a person to continue the habit.
There are books on this as well. Stop seeing it as a bad habit, stop condemning yourself for being involved in it and just begin to find out actually from a scientific angle according to the research already done, what exactly the brain does with the nicotine and why it calls for it repeatedly.
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Now in regards to your sexual partner, why is it that you are not having a steady living-in relationship with this person?
Why are you just meeting once in about two weeks like that?
What stops you from becoming committed to a living-in relationship with this person?
Don’t send me an answer to this but consider this in your mind and look over the reason. I do not need to know this but you need to really take a good look at this yourself.
Sex is such a thing that once you get in the habit of it, you will continue in that habit unless you take steps to wean yourself away from it. Let us go back to when we were infants. Well then you want to suck your mother’s breasts. That is a natural impulse which comes on. But then as you grow you still want to do it and in fact if you are deprived, then it is hell to pay for your parents because you cry and try to tear up the universe with your little annoying voice. So that means that this has become an addiction and so when we are addicted to something the natural thing is that we want to continue it even if such action is not in our long ranged interest.
But what do the parents do. They wean the infant, which means they decrease his access to breast milk. Gradually they reduce and reduce the time for feeding until he is no longer given the breast.
But even if the parents did not do it, nature itself would take steps to reduce the amount of milk the breast produces. Then the breasts would eventually dry up. The infant would be left without milk anyway. So there, nature shows us how to do it by just reducing it day by day and then we forget all about it.
So when I was at the age of nine I was a very happy child. Hey look, we are dirt poor people, three adults and two children in a one room house, but still I was happy as a child of nine with no responsibility, no bills to pay, no woman to fuck at night, nothing, but still I was happy. So why is that?
But then later when I began to go with females in a sexual way, then something happened where I could not stop the habit and then somehow by the grace of God, it flashed on me that this was nuts.
So then by the grace of God, I got the memory of my 9 year old condition and then I began to think in my head, “You crazy asshole, why are you doing this? Why not be happy again like when you were nine years of age? What is wrong with you?
Why are you centering your whole life on the basis of the little thing which protrudes out of your body and which you used to piss only when you were nine? Now that thing has become the center of your life, your God, everything. Please self, get yourself in order. Stop this vicious habit.”
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When I was an infant I used to really be scared of women. You can imagine that I grew up under my grandmother. She was like a female lion. You know like in those National Geographic videos. Those female lions get out there and bring down large animals like they are nothing. So my grandmother was like that. A strapping lady. If I disobey her she would put leather to me in a hurry. So I grew up under fear of women. But then later when I used to get to know about sex with women that fear went away.
After I decided to regain my happiness from when I was about 9 years of age, I decide to again become afraid of women. So that is where I am now. I keep a respectful distance from them.
In your case, I would advise that you honestly get a spouse. My idea is that you become committed to a partner do or die. If you do it and get it registered it is alright but my focus is on the commitment with or without government registry.
Once you do that then this situation will change because then you have to face up to financial responsibility with that person, emotional responsibility, responsibility for children and so on. That will balance out the sex pleasure issue. If you just eat sugar and nothing else, then your body will get terribly sick.
If there is just sex pleasure and no responsibility mixed in with it, you will become degraded. Nature has put sex and reproduction together and if you decide to tear that part and only take the sex part then nature will do you in eventually.
Stop cheating on nature. If you are having sex then where are the children to show for it. And if you have children then naturally you will begin to care for them and there will be some happiness there and you may focus less on the sex which produced them in the first place. So try to balance pleasure with responsibility.
Paul 3 years ago
I have noticed from having taught art at a college these past six or seven years that people are not very serious or sincere about much. Oscar Wilde hit the nail on the head when he said "There is no sincerer love, than the love of food". This can be taken to so many levels including tobacco and sex because in a sense these are interpreted as food and nourishment.
Many of these kinds of problems are not solved because as Michael pointed out, we don't really want them solved..we identify with the body and the body has its own way of interpreting reality, and so we are stuck. I think it was St. Augustine who said,
"Lord let me give up these bad habits, but not yet". This exemplifies the condition. But this changes when we actually love something or someone becomes serious about solving these existential problems. There's nothing new in any of this.. Man has always struggled with these things and those who became serious sometimes actually solved them, at least for themselves.
What I started to say is that something I observed with many young people is this thing where they like the idea of being an artist, or a yogi... there's something fashionable about it. It boosts their self image by considering themselves in this way.
"Maybe I don't look like Christine Turlington who does Yoga and writes books on it, but I like the idea of having a figure like that". or maybe I can't paint like Picasso, but I like the idea of having this image of myself being a starving artist, or musician..
So what happens...people go out and buy all this photography equipment, musical instruments, paint supplies, yoga mats and books and create this wonderful image of themselves, but then after a few weeks or months, the stuff just sits there. It was a nice idea , but the reality of how solitary these things are is too difficult to face each day from here on out..Lord Krishna talks about this in the Gita, when he gives statistics for how many people accomplish Yoga..it's like one in a billion.. but so what?
it doesn't stop people from marketing yoga products and creating cottage industries to feed off people's insincerity.. Insincerity doesn't prohibit economic growth.
We have to get serious if we are serious and if not well we can at least go through the motions until we become serious.
Alfredo 3 years ago
Michael Wrote:
[Stop seeing it as a bad habit, stop condemning yourself for being involved in it and just began to find out actually from a scientific angle according to the research already done, what exactly the brain does with the nicotine and why it calls for it repeatedly.]
Alfredo’s Reply:
This is the key. Condemning yourself for anything takes you nowhere good. It actually makes things worst.
The advice above is very appropriate. Investigation and the power that knowledge brings is a good first step.
