No Sushumna/Chakra System
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 5 years before Jan 23, 2018
MiBeloved 5 years ago
During breath infusion practice this morning, as soon as I began, I felt the presence of Swami Muktananda. After about 3 minutes into the practice when some energy was infused and began moving about in the trunk of the subtle form, he made this statement,
“I did not write any of this down. It just was not on my mind in that way. It is good that you have this habit of recording everything and leaving a record for the students. How will they know what to do and where they are on the path, if they do not have records of what previous yogis did. This is a bad habit in India where no record is kept, because in cases where there is no physical guru present, a student is lost without notes. Even Patanjali Mahayogin did the very best by leaving a sketch of yoga. Even Gorakshnath left some instruction.
“I would like you to explain the different between your practice now and the traditional kundalini yoga practice which has stress on sushumna nadi and chakras. Baba Nityananda broke away from that and taught about the bubble body, which you are aware of. The development of that bubble body is great because then the student might even pass the siddha stage and go to Brahmaloka which is also called Satyaloka.
“Everything is a big deal at one stage or the other but what is a highlight at a previous stage may have no significance at a higher level. Working with kundalini is a highlight but it has no value in the bubble body stage which Baba mastered.
“Explain the difference so that the serious students do not become stuck with the sushumna nadi chakra system. The main thing is the extraction of the impurities. In the sushumna nadi chakra system, the impurities are removed by pushing down the combination energy around the pubic loop and then up the spine into the head. But in the bubble body the impurities are pulled out without any pushing down effort in that way. Some of this is pulled up through the middle of the trunk through the neck and out of the top of the head. Some of it is removed by pulling through the sides of the body. For instance old energy in the thigh may be pulled through the sides of the thigh through subtle pores in the subtle body. There is no need to pull it all through the trunk.
"The main thing is that the lung-orientation method is abandoned because the subtle body without the sushumna nadi configuration operates in an entirely different way and is designed differently.”
Marcia Beloved 5 years ago
MiBeloved wrote:
"The main thing is that the lung-orientation method is abandoned because the subtle body without the sushumna nadi configuration operates in an entirely different way and is designed differently.”
Marcia Beloved's query:
Please clarify what is meant by "lung-orientation method".
MiBeloved 5 years ago
Lung orientation method means that the practice is based on the material body's way of operation which is reliant on a lung system for processing air.
In the higher phases of the subtle body there is no corresponding system like in the lower phases of the subtle body where the subtle body actually has a subtle lung which mimics what the physical lungs do.
Kundalini designs a system in the subtle body which serves to create a physical survival apparatus in one of the species of life on the material plane. In the higher subtle world one loses this survival programming, as there is no danger there from repeated birth and death in short duration forms.
unlimitedsun 5 years ago
MiBeloved wrote:
“Explain the difference so that the serious students do not become stuck with the sushumna nadi chakra system. The main thing is the extraction of the impurities. In the sushumna nadi chakra system, the impurities are removed by pushing down the combination energy around the pubic loop and then up the spine into the head. But in the bubble body the impurities are pulled out without any pushing down effort in that way. Some of this is pulled up through the middle of the trunk through the neck and out of the top of the head. Some of it is removed by pulling through the sides of the body. For instance old energy in the thigh may be pulled through the sides of the thigh through subtle pores in the subtle body. There is no need to pull it all through the trunk.
unlimitedsun query:
Guru Pranams to such benevolence!
What is meant by combination of energy? Is that apana and prana?
In that case is that due mainly because of working with and through kundalini/ base energy vortex?
Is pushing as action necessary by dint of working with and through the lung system?
Otherwise then in the bubble body it is a pulling action. But then what adjunct(s) imply pulling in that case?
MiBeloved 5 years ago
unlimitedsun query:
What is meant by combination of energy? Is that apana and prana?
In that case is that due mainly because of working with and through kundalini/ base energy vortex?
MiBeloved's Response:
The combination of energy is prana, apana, hormone energy and other types of random energy which are in the psyche at the time of the practice.
Prana in this event means the infused air. Apana means the stale air which is left in the blood cells and tissues.
Whatever is in the system at the time of the practice is mixed under pressure by the infused fresh air, which the yogi takes in while doing the breath infusion practice.
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unlimitedsun query:
Is pushing as action necessary by dint of working with and through the lung system?
MiBeloved's Response:
Pushing action is necessary to cause the infused fresh air to go down into the body. If this is not done, then the lungs will release the fresh air back into through the lungs. The lungs will feel that there is no need for the extra fresh air and so one has to force the system to accept it. This is done by applying locks and one’s will power.
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unlimitedsun query:
Otherwise then in the bubble body it is a pulling action. But then what adjunct(s) imply pulling in that case?
MiBeloved's Response:
Bubble body must first develop before this is understood. Just as in the normal subtle body there is a kundalini system with its specific design, so when the bubble body develops it will have its specific design.
This is more like a change of species.
If for instance you are in a fish body, then you cannot do what you would do in say a lion’s body. The lion’s body will not have fins. The fish body will not have a long tail and so on. Change of species is required and then one will use the other senses and limbs of the new form naturally.
