Naad / Thought Generation Zone

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Date:  Posted 3 years before Mar 28, 2016

MiBeloved 3 years ago

In meditation this morning there was a reversal process where I was in the naad sound and then a keyway, a vortex, opened from somewhere into the naad sound and beckoned to me like if someone at the end of a long tube calls you to invite you to come with him.

I looked at the vortex but did not respond to it. It closed right away, twirling out of existence in a moment. Of course out of existence here only means out of existence in naad sound. It simply retracted to its own plane of existence where it will wait for me to enter there, then it will confront me and I will not be able to avoid it.

This might be compared to a dropped call on a cell phone, where you hear part of a full ring and then when you look at the phone, it says that the call was dropped. The contact was partially formed and then it was broken.

This is interesting because usually a yogi is on this side of existence, out of the naad sound. Then from here he tries to key-into to the naad sound, to link into it, to become absorbed in it, leaving his usual mental atmosphere behind. But in this practice, I was in naad, was on the other side, and then something from this side of existence keyed into naad, broke into naad through a vortex and then signaled and tried to entice me to follow it out of naad or at least to link to it which would have instantaneously transported me out of naad into my normal mental atmosphere.

One big secret in dealing with thoughts in meditation is to realize that one can exit from the realms of the thoughts. Instead of remaining in the mental atmosphere where the thoughts are generated and trying do battle with them there, or to even ignore them there, or observing them as passing illusions there, the yogi can just leave that mental domain and go elsewhere into dimensions in which the thoughts generation process is non-existent.

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Von at LinkedIn:

Don’t you think all those things are distractions to stop you from meditation?

The more you meditate the more and more distractions will come.

If you bow down to them you lose. There just part of mediation.

You know more than anyone that you must let them float on by. You can observe them but say to yourself not interested and let them float on by.

Thanks.

MiBeloved's Response:

What you wrote is true to a limited degree, at least that is my experience. Some thoughts just vanish forever if they are ignored but there are certain thoughts which come back again and again and in fact unless one settles them by some physical action or some subtle involvement, they are not resolved and remain like a hidden cancer or growth.

There are many insubstantial and useless thoughts but they are also energies which come from previous obligations which will be enforced into one’s life, one’s existence, now or in the future.

But anyway that is my view.

I would like however to bring to your attention that as great a person as Krishna indicated to Arjuna that if Arjuna was to go away from settling his differences with the Kauravas (rival family members), then Arjuna would be haunted by thoughts and would not be successful in meditation.

It is either Krishna has some valid point or he does not know what he not know about some higher meditation which others have discovered. But that is hard one to swallow considering the vast information Krishna left behind or was attributed to him by the writers of the Mahabharata and the Srimad Bhagavatam.

Here are two relevant verses:

न हि कश्चित्क्षणमपि

जातु तिष्ठत्यकर्मकृत् ।

कार्यते ह्यवशः कर्म

सर्वः प्रकृतिजैर्गुणैः ॥३.५॥

na hi kaścitkṣaṇamapi

jātu tiṣṭhatyakarmakṛt

kāryate hyavaśaḥ karma

sarvaḥ prakṛtijairguṇaiḥ (3.5)

na — no; hi — indeed; kaścit — anyone; kṣaṇamapi = kṣaṇam — a moment + api — also; jātu — ever; tiṣṭhatyakarmakṛt = tiṣṭhati — exists + akarmakṛt — not acting; kāryate — caused to act; hyavaśaḥ = hi — indeed + avaśaḥ — against their wishes; karma — vibration; sarvaḥ — everyone; prakṛtijair = prakṛtijaiḥ — produced by material nature; guṇaiḥ — variations of mundane energy

No one, even momentarily, ever exists without vibration. By the variations of mundane energy in material nature, everyone, even against their wishes, is forced to perform. (Bhagavad Gita 3.5)

कर्मेन्द्रियाणि संयम्य

य आस्ते मनसा स्मरन् ।

इन्द्रियार्थान्विमूढात्मा

मिथ्याचारः स उच्यते ॥३.६॥

karmendriyāṇi saṁyamya

ya āste manasā smaran

indriyārthānvimūḍhātmā

mithyācāraḥ sa ucyate (3.6)

karmendriyāṇi — bodily limbs; saṁyamya — restraining; ya = yaḥ — who; āste — sits; manasā — by the mind; smaran — remembering; indriyārthān — attractive objects; vimūḍhātmā = vimūḍha — deluded + ātmā — self; mithyācāraḥ — deceiver; sa — he; ucyate — it is declared

A person who, while restraining his bodily limbs, sits with the mind remembering attractive objects, is a deceiver. So it is declared. (Bhagavad Gita 3.6)

The point is that if we do not complete certain physical and also subtle actions in particular dimensions or worlds, then we will not be able to successfully meditate because the pressing obligations will over-rule our desire for peace of mind.

In my meditation on that morning those thought energies which came to me while I was in a naad sound samadhi, were pressing obligations. Because of the force of their power to impose themselves on me they penetrated the meditation.

If I do not tend to these concerns soon, then they will in effect put an end to my meditation practice because they will return with a force as a providential situation in which meditation will not be possible.

Whatever was done in the past by me and by others in relation to me, have sent projectiles into my future already and when I arrive at a certain point in future time, those projectiles will affect me. The only way out of this is to leave the dimension in which those actions were committed.

Meditation, if it has any power at all, would give me the ability to better negotiate the passage of my future. And Meditation can certainly give me a way to develop enough escape velocity to get out of this dimension. Then those after-effect energies (boomerangs) will not reach me.

Naad meditation is an enclave like that where when I am in it, all these effect energies are just like they are non-existent but currently I cannot remain in naad and whenever I re-enter the environment of those energies, they impose their authority.