Monk Lady Wants A Body
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 5 years before Jan 19, 2019
MiBeloved 5 years ago
This afternoon I had a few strange visitors. Two persons who took sannyasi positions in the Hare Krishna Movement. One was Bhaktitirtha Swami and the other was known as Hladini.
Hladini said that Bhaktitirtha gave my name as a reference for a family in which she could take her next body, a family which was familiar with Bhagavad Gita and had spiritual interest.
I told her that his proposal was okay with me but she had to see my children individually to get admission into their progeny situations.
Hladini as far as I can remember was once the wife of a devotee named Bhavishya. She took monk status from Kirtanananda Swami and went to Africa under the direction of Bhaktitirtha Swami. She was killed there untimely in a vicious encounter with an African tribal leader.
As far as taking birth in the family line which I sponsored. There are two parents involved in that besides me, who are Sharon Thornton and Marcia Beloved. There are also relatives of mine who are deceased and also the relatives of the spouses/sexual companions of my children.
Right now acquiring an embryo in a developed country is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. It is near impossible because generally young adults in the digital age see career as the priority. The last thing they want to do is to beget children, a circumstance which they determined would cramp their style and limit their freedom, boggling them down with child care and its related duties.
Just before she left, after discussing the situation with me, Hladini, who was in a very pleasant mood, explained that she was preaching the Hare Krishna way of religion on the astral side of existence. Then she looked me straight in the face and asked me why I would not beget for her a body. This was her proposal, “Swami said that you are very advanced, so advanced, that sexual liaisons would not affect you. Why should you not beget bodies for those in need? Great souls are always willing to help those in need.”
I looked at her but did not reply to this. Then I said this, “You may approach any of my children. If any of them ask me for a reference about you I will give it. That much I can say.”
Then she went away. Bhaktitirtha for his part stayed in the astral distance and did not approach me about it. He was reminiscing in his mind about our associations when he had a material body and was a promising leader in the Hare Krishna Movement. In those days I used to explain to him the importance of having a family for the purpose of raising progeny, mainly for helping departed ancestors, but he always had this idea in the back of his mind, that once a person is a devotee in the Hare Krishna Movement, that person would get a body easily, because Krishna would provide such an opportunity, irrespective of their contribution to a family line. But if this is true why did Hladini approach me.
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The person who was directing her to be in Africa was Bhaktitirtha Swami. He had a secret crush on her but as a sannyasi he could not take that to the practical level. I know this because he discussed this with me. It is one thing to be alive physically and to bar others from taking a body under whatever pretenses or moral reasons and it is a totally different matter when one is on the other side, and one becomes a need departed soul who no matter where one goes, one just cannot get a birth opportunity.
unlimitedsun 5 years ago
At this point just take a ticket and wait in line folks, things are not getting easier it seems...
On a different note; a heavily pierced female devotee who according to her own was familiar with Bhaktitirtha Swami imparted a different story with me. I don't recall her name at the moment, but she was aware that I was a disciple of BTS. According to her that devotee was killed in Africa because she was carrying the swami's child.
So as I read the article and was thinking that I would share this bit, when I read the last paragraph regarding the confided romance, it seemed as a confirmation.
From reading the story related in the Hare Krishna newspaper VNN, I am very surprised that the leader tyrant himself went to the residence of the devotees, typically they would have a legion of eager brutes to drag anyone they want to their very feet!
Also, were they in Nigeria or Liberia?
Bhakti Mary 5 years ago
I suppose I will be waiting for her to get in touch! Why did she feel that she needed permission to enter into the family through us?
MiBeloved 5 years ago
Unlimited,
During the time when this person's body was killed, I was in touch with the Swami by phone. He was in a panic when she was first held up by the tribal people because communication was cut and he had no way of finding out what was happening. It took about 3 days I think before he got news and then it was fragmented information from someone who has escaped and also someone who was in a neighboring country.
As far as the rumor about the child, I did not get any information about that from him. His admission had to do with subtle connection nothing physical. But there were times when he called me from Africa just before this happened and just before he returned to the USA, where he was panicking because of the possibility of physical association in that way, for fear that his sannyasi status would go up in smoke.
According to him also this person, though using a female body, wanted to make her name in Africa as a great preacher of the Hare Krishna Society, and insisted on going to Liberia and was confident that she could convert the whole group of rebels who killed her body. Things went awry for sure.
I kept telling him that it was crazy and that he was liable for anything which would happen to her and that it was crazy to have her by herself with a group of black-bodied devotees of African ethnicity in a politically unstable situation in a remote area of Africa, but he had his beliefs in the Hare Krishna philosophy which gave him the authority and the lady also the authority to preach in that way.
When at last the news came that she was killed and it was come gruesome news, he was terribly sad about it for weeks, very morose. He was also freaked out because he could not get the bodies to take care of their disposal because the rebel chief had the area under control, and Bhaktitirtha dare not go there in fear for his own life.
By that time Bhaktitirtha was known in those parts as a tribal chief as well because he had become blood brother to some tribal heads, who had given him special staff with tribal markings. So he was a wanted man by the tribal enemies of those tribes which befriended him.
Later on these same tribal staffs were condemned in the ISKCON society and he was banned from using them. He used to have them when he sat on guru seat and thought it was acceptable because the Founder of the Society used staffs as well, except that Bhaktitirtha’s staffs had African tribal markings and one even had a knife imbedded in the handle of it. This is true even though it might sound like something out of an Edgar Rice Burroughs jungle book.
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Bhakti wrote:
I suppose I will be waiting for her to get in touch! Why did she feel that she needed permission to enter into the family through us?
MiBeloved's Response:
It would be a psychic contact not a physical one of course. You would only be aware of it if you have psychic sensitivity. Permission is required if one does not have direct social contribution into the said family line in the immediate past birth. Without that credential, one has to acquire qualification through a connection with someone who does have that.
Look at it in this way. Even your father cannot withdraw money from your bank account, what to speak of a friend of your father. Permissions are required even for small things like that, even for taking out 5 cents, so for getting the next body, all sorts of permissions might be required.
Granting of permission is also logged and is accounted for. If you did give permission to your father to withdraw money from your account, how much money would you permit him? Would it be an unlimited amount? If you knew that he wanted to give the money to his friend, how open would you leave the account? Would it be open to whatever their discretion dictated to them?
Everyone is selfless until push comes to shove and then something happens. Self preservation kicks in and limits suddenly become very evident.
unlimitedsun 5 years ago
So indeed two countries are involved. Nigeria and Liberia do not share a border...
The swami was a honorary tribal chief in Nigeria. The female devotee is killed in Liberia.
Very interesting disclosure: But there were times when he called me from Africa just before this happened and just before he returned to the USA, where he was panicking because of the possibility of physical association in that way, for fear that his sannyasi status would go up in smoke.
Great advice: I kept telling him that it was crazy and that he was liable for anything which would happen to her and that it was crazy to have her by herself with a group of black-bodied devotees of African ethnicity in a politically unstable situation in a remote area of Africa.
According to that female pierced devotee the physical interaction took place and since it resulted in pregnancy, the sannyasi status was protected by killing both mother and unborn child. That wouldn't mean that anyone else would have to die or even be injured ("by herself").
I am trying to remember how close the pierced female devotee was to the whole sordid event, she apparently was there. So was it a bogus cover up for the murder of a lover for sake of vanity? She was adamant it was. She pleaded with me to understand; especially that I was his disciple and she felt we could communicate (she had lived and preached in Africa).
