Lucid Dreaming / Deja vu?
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Date: Posted 5 years before Dec 19, 2018
MiBeloved 5 years ago
There are various definitions for lucid dreaming. I use the definition of where the astral body remains interspaced in the physical one and the person has dual awareness of the physical and astral systems simultaneously.
Astral projection is different because in astral projection there is usually no awareness of the physical system and the astral body is displaced out of the physical system, being away from it at a psychic distance.
In both cases the subtle body is involved but in lucid dreaming there is a residual awareness of the physical body. Lucid dreaming only means that your objectivity was transferred into the subtle body in part and it is split between the two bodies giving you dual perception, or in some cases giving you about 75% or more astral perception and 25% or less physical consciousness.
Déjà vu is when one goes to a place and feels for sure that one was at that place in the past even on the first physical visit to that place, or when one meets someone for the first time and has this intuitive feeling that one knows the person intimately anyway.
This occurs because of past life subconscious memory. If one meditates, this advances into conscious subconscious memory, meaning that the information in the subconscious is converted into a conscious impression which gives one the information about when one was at that place or what relationship one had with that person in a past life.
The information from the subconscious seeps into or penetrates into the conscious mind, but the conscious mind has a checking converting psychic system which pushes back the information into the subconscious. Repeated meditation can cause this checking action to stop, yielding transfer of the information from the subconscious to the conscious where the information reconverts into active memory of the past events.
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unlimitedsun 5 years ago
MiBeloved wrote:
There are various definitions for lucid dreaming. I use the definition of where the astral body remains interspaced in the physical one and the person has dual awareness of the physical and astral systems simultaneously.
In both cases the subtle body is involved but in lucid dreaming there is a residual awareness of the physical body. Lucid dreaming only means that your objectivity was transferred into the subtle body in part and it is split between the two bodies giving you dual perception, or in some cases giving you about 75% or more astral perception and 25% or less physical consciousness.
unlimitedsun's query:
If during lucid dreaming the two bodies are staying put, does the subtle body still experience the astral world the same way it would, should it be out of the physical and out and about venturing, as in astral projection?
MiBeloved 5 years ago
In lucid dreaming the astral body experiences the astral world just as it would if it was displaced from the physical system.
The only different is that the person also has consciousness of the physical at the same time, while in astral projection there is no consciousness of the physical system.
Marcia Beloved 5 years ago
Michael wrote:
There are various definitions for lucid dreaming. I use the definition of where the astral body remains interspaced in the physical one and the person has dual awareness of the physical and astral systems simultaneously.
Marcia Beloved's query:
Would third eye openings and visions while meditating come under the category of lucid dreaming?
In lucid dreaming, does one simply see with the subtle eyes or the third eye, while the subtle body remains in the physical one?
MiBeloved 5 years ago
Marcia Beloved's query:
Would third eye openings and visions while meditating come under the category of lucid dreaming? In lucid dreaming, does one simply see with the subtle eyes or the third eye, while the subtle body remains in the physical one?
MiBeloved's Response:
Lucid dreaming and astral projection concern the subtle body and the two subtle eyes which it uses, just as physical engagement concerns the physical body and the two physical eyes.
It is not concerned with introspection and meditation experience in terms of kriya yoga. One way to look at this is to consider that both yogis and non-yogis are using physical bodies and physical eyes, but yogis use other psychic accessories. Similarly both yogi-astral-projectors and non-yogi-astral-projectors use the subtle body but the non-yogi types are not concerned with the third eye and other types of supernatural perceptions. Their main interest is to see in the astral environment which is outside of the physical body, just as in the material world, most people are obsessed with the external physical environment and not with what is taking place within the physical body.
Third eye openings and visions do sometimes occur during astral projection or lucid dreaming but that is not a regular occurrence except for very advanced yogis.
Another way to consider this is that people who are crazy about astral projection are always eager to leave their physical systems and explore the astral domains. But for a yogi, there is also a certain madness where the yogi is always eager to leave the physical and astral systems and explore the inner domain of the psyche.
As a materialistic child, I think that I am my body and I am eager to grow up to exploit the world using that body as myself. It is not about me really. It is about how much of the world I can exploit.
As an astral projector, I think that I am my subtle body. I am eager to astral project to leave the physical body sleeping in this dimension, while I explore subtle existences. It is not really about me. It is about much of the subtle world I can explore and exploit.
As a yogi, I think that I am not my material body, nor my subtle form, but I know that I exist within the subtle body which I refer to as my individual psyche. Here again it is not about me. It is rather about how I can explore within the subtle body and exploit whatever power I can derive over the other components which are in the subtle body.
Some years ago there was a TV series in which a group of people were living inside of someone’s body. They would travel in the veins and arteries all over the body. It is something like that where the yogi travels within the subtle body or psyche and see all the aspects which it comprises.
Astral projection is a part of yoga practice, a very important part too but it is not everything. It is a part of yoga, when it makes the projector realize that he or she is not the physical body and that he or she will continue existing in that subtle casing once the physical body dies.
But that is about as much as you will get out of astral projection for the purposes of yoga practice. It also serves the purpose of allowing a student to meet astral yogis and get instructions which he or she may not get on the physical side because of not making contact with advanced souls.
When one meets a yogi in the astral world, it has nothing to do with getting instructions to astral project. That is not advanced yoga. Astral projection is really a preliminary aspect of yoga. The instructions should be about how to explore inside the subtle body itself, not to use it to float around in the astral world.
Sometimes just before astral projection, the third eye might open and one might begin seeing about the astral world through it without even being separated out of the physical form. That can happen. Some years ago I used to do this, where first third eye would open, and then there would be flashes of light like lightning flashing in the body and even some thunder claps, and then the astral body would separate and float off at its own speed which was hard to control.
This would also happen when the astral form would fuse back into the physical body at the end of the astral projection.
The big secret in kriya yoga as to why yogis are no longer interested in astral projection is this:
By using the third eye or the crown chakra or the buddhi intellect orb, a yogi can get instant access to any astral place. Hence there is no need to travel there.
A hawk can see a mouse on the ground from many hundreds of feet in the air. An owl can see a little weasel moving around even on a dark moon night. Hence why would the owl get excited about inventing a flash light? Why would the hawk be concerned with staying close to the ground?
Because the facilities of astral travel are enabled through advanced kriya practice for a yogi while remaining in his individual psyche, the yogi loses interest in running around with the subtle body.
My father is deceased and he lives in South America in the astral world. If I need to see him or if he needs to see me, why should I bother to astral travel to his location if I can have direct contact with him while remaining in the subtle body? Why move it through the astral space, if I can use psychic facilities and see him directly from a distance the way the hawk sees the rabbit from afar?
unlimitedsun 5 years ago
MiBeloved wrote:
In lucid dreaming the astral body experiences the astral world just as it would if it was displaced from the physical system.
The only different is that the person also has consciousness of the physical at the same time, while in astral projection there is no consciousness of the physical system.
unlimitedsun's query:
Sounds like a mind bender. So the experiences come to the subtle body in lucid dream right there at the location of the physical body, whereas in the astral projection the astral body is projected out of the physical body to experience out and about, and as a result there is no consciousness?
What difference does the absence of consciousness in the dream state makes to the experience in general?
MiBeloved 5 years ago
Please clarify what you mean by no consciousness when the astral body is separated. Do you mean no memory or no recall of the astral movements? A sleep walking person has no recall but we cannot say that he has no consciousness because otherwise there would be a dead immobile body not a moving one.
unlimitedsun 5 years ago
...there is no consciousness of the physical system.
I apologize, I misread that as: there is no consciousness in the physical system.
I am often pressed for time ... please scratch that.
Thank you for your understanding and patience.
