Kundalini Unusual lifts and Rises
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 5 years before Apr 28, 2018
MiBeloved 5 years ago
The standard method for raising kundalini is to raise it up through the sushumna passage into the head. There are two methods for doing this:
· Wait until this happens of its own accord by an action of nature.
· Force it to happen by practicing a kundalini arousal process.
Just last week when I was at the Zen Hostel in Gainesville Florida, someone who was an adherent of the Taoist tradition, was saying that one should let nature raise kundalini in due course in order to be harmonious with nature.
I told him that we are not concerned with nature’s way of doing things. Since when human beings are concerned with nature’s methods unless those methods suit our desire or unless we are helpless and must submit?
As a yogi I will not sit around until nature decides to raise kundalini. Who knows when nature will get a feeling to do that?
Someone is saying that we should not use force but when nature fires a volcano, or when nature blows up a star in outer space, that person has no comment, as if nature is an all-peace force.
I am going to try to die before I die, so that I know what it is all about. I won’t wait for nature to strike first and then figure it thereafter. For the most part, nature already has the edge, so if I can get even a slight lead, I am going to take it.
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This post is about the other methods of raising kundalini besides the standard popularized method of sushumna nadi ascent.
Are there other methods?
There is front rise kundalini where the energy moves up through the groin area and travels up the front of the body up through the neck. When this happens the energy heads for the bottom lip because there is a wide entrance nadi from the sex organs area to the bottom lips. This particular nadi becomes flushed with energy and causes intense kissing during the routine of sexual intercourse.
When this energy moves up the front and goes into the bottom lip that lips tenses and puckers due to the movement of bliss force in it. Sometimes when a stallion has a sexual climax experience after mounting a mare, we see that its bottom lip tenses and curls back and shivers. This is the same nadi even in the equine species. The same is seen in goats and bulls.
Female also experience it because there is a similar nadi passage in their psyches.
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There are side trunk rises of kundalini and also central trunk rises. There is a channel on the inside of the trunk which is not centralized in the middle of it. This one travels on the inside of the trunk but close to the spine.
There are other minor passages. These may be discovered by the student yogi as the practice becomes more and more precise.
Besides kundalini shooting up like this in various passages for ascension through the neck, there is energy burst and energy lifting which has nothing to do with kundalini, which is the infused energy mixing with energies or special areas, then compressing, then bursting like an explosion of bliss micro-particles, then spreading into the head of the subtle body.
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Email Correspondence:
What is the application of this to female bodies which passed through menopause?
MiBeloved's Response:
Menopause has significance in terms of taking material bodies. It has little or no application in terms of subtle bodies. Subtle body is not concerned with holding pregnancies, discharging babies and then breast feeding. These pertain mostly to the material situation we are in.
Sometimes we find that in some of the celestial regions, very voluptuous women are there with infants whom they suckle. These infants never grow up but remain at a certain age say at about 2 or 3 years of age and they follow their mothers everywhere they go and are constantly being tendered as infants. In other words their situation is that of being a perpetual infant of a set age, never growing up. In that way these women get to remain doing what their psyches enjoy doing perpetually. They get a pleasure breast feeding those children which is very similar to sexual pleasure but dubbed-down a little, not so intense and not like ordinary happiness either. It is a mild bliss pleasure which flows through their breast constantly, day and night without end.
These celestial women of this class are never seen with men. In other words they do not have sexual intercourse. Their full occupation is breast feeding pleasure. Their breast never sags and produces milk day and night continually which as soon as the infant get near them, milk begins to ooze out with great pleasure for the women. The children too, enjoy sucking the breasts of their mothers and derive a similar pleasure.
When you plug in an appliance, if the switch on the appliance is ON, the electricity flows immediately. Sometimes there is a spark even, as the current is anxious to flow through the device. In the same way when the infants put their mouths to the nipples of these mothers, immediately a pleasure begins to flow which links the psyche of the infant and the mother and causes a mild bliss energy to flow. Then the two go into a trance for a while and then after a while, they break away from each other, until the next feeding.
Sometimes by the arrangement of deities, like the Indra deity for instance, a yogi is allowed to go to such place, even though normally there are no males in those realms. Then the females there and the infants see a male and are wonder struck by the male species which to them is novel and unusual.
The yogi for his part notices that these females are not attracted to adult males for any purpose. They have no carnal knowledge or memory of sexual intercourse. They have absolutely no attraction to males but only a curiosity like when one sees an animal in the zoo. Such places are there in the celestial world.
Sometimes when a yogi is attracted to a woman and she has a mothering emotion towards him, he is warned by yoga-gurus, not to again go near the woman, because he runs the risk of going to a celestial world where he would become a male infant and where for the rest of his existence he would be an infant with that woman as his Mom, perpetually. He will never again know of or think of anything else.
In my own situation, there are several women, perhaps running in the hundreds who are potential or who were actually my mothers in past lives, even in other species. So with any of these females the risk is there for me that I might find myself as an infant in a celestial world with one of these women as my perpetual mother, where I would never grow beyond the age of say two, three or four years of age. It would be just me and that woman, with me as an infant and with my sole object of pleasure her breasts and the nectar energy and pleasure which come from it. So like that we are afraid of women. Usually we are hiding behind Lord Shiva or under the wing of some great yogin who can protect us from making certain existential relational mistakes.
I cannot advice women who are not serious about being yogis. What advice should I give to someone who is not really serious because even if I give advice the person will not be able to apply it? It will just be talk for talk sake.
For those who are serious they need to hash over in their minds that the subtle body has nothing to do with the rise of sexual maturity and the end of it in the physical system. The subtle body maintains sexual maturity any which way regardless of what the physical system is doing. This does not mean that the subtle body will not shadow or pretend that it is a physical form. It will do that but nevertheless it still is not a physical form.
eBooks pretend to be books, even showing the image of a flipped page but actually they are not paper products.
Therefore if we are talking about the subtle body, and really there is nothing else to talk about anyway, then the yogini should treat the subtle body in yoga just as if menopause has never occurred.
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Email Correspondence:
What should females do who have similar movements of kundalini rising in various parts of the body?
MiBeloved's Response:
What to do?
Enjoy it. Get used to it. That is the replacement pleasure for all the pleasure you cannot get from an old physical body. That is a bliss energy. Transfer your attachment away from physical pleasures to that subtle body. That is the body you will be left with after the physical system passes.
Culture it.
Develop it
Nurture it.
Seek it.
Make it your reality.
When the physical system passes it will be your only reality.
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Email Correspondence:
In yoga sadhana, we are encouraged to use the physical body as a means of influencing and ultimately reforming the subtle one. Is menopause in the physical body, a gift of nature to women that has the potential to influence the subtle body as well?
MiBeloved's Response:
It is a gift of nature when compared to what happens in male bodies, even in other higher mammal forms, where the physical body keeps producing sexual fluids beyond the age where a female form would no longer produce that.
It has the potential of influencing the subtle body but only in those human females who do not continue sexual interests. Gender interest should continue but not sexual interest or sexual usage of the sexual organs. The benefit of the menopause is that if it is done as per nature’s system, and if the female concerned do not regret nature’s action or do anything to reverse it, then the subtle body’s sexual interest in material sexual fulfillment will decrease and go into latency.
This protects in terms of the next material body which is to be taken, where the female will not have a very strong need to begin sexual affairs early on.
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Email Correspondence:
Is there any correlation at all, between the closing off of the sexual chakra and sex organ chakra in the subtle body and menopause in the physical body?
MiBeloved's Response:
The correlation is in reference to what the subtle body feels it needs to get from the physical form. If the sex chakra and sex organ chakra in the subtle body does not feel a strong need for physical sexual love, then that subtle body will be less inclined into taking haphazard rebirths which occur on the basis of the subtle body’s need for a physical form.
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Email Correspondence:
Do the various kundalini rises one experiences during yoga practice, contribute to the closing off of the sexual chakra in the subtle body?
MiBeloved's Response:
The kundalini rises contribute to closing the sexual chakra and closing the petals of the sex organ chakra in those student yogis who have that as an objective and who have an effective process of locks. For others doing kundalini yoga might increase the incidences of sex drive
When firemen ignite a forest fire, it actually serves the purpose of putting out forest fires but when others lights a fire in the forest, it promotes fires. It is the same action in each case but with opposing outcomes.
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Email Correspondence:
Is the purpose of nurturing those kundalini rises in various parts of the body, excepting through the sexual chakra and sex organ chakra, to produce celibacy of the subtle form?
MiBeloved's Response:
This may or may not be true. It can go either way. To clarify also, the sex chakra on the spine is different to the sex organ chakra. What is being shut down is the sex organ chakra. The yogi can learn how to draw out the energy from the sex organ chakra from within the psyche, but he or she should also pull energy from any other part of the body where energy happens to pool or accumulate.
Alfredo 5 years ago
Both questions and answers are masterful, and very much appreciated!
