Kundalini to Crown

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Date: Posted 6 years before Feb 28, 2017

MiBeloved 6 years ago

Email Inquiry:

It is said that once the Kundalini reaches the crown chakra, one reaches self-realization or enlightenment. Is this true, or is there more than that?

MiBeloved’s Response:

That statement is just like the statement which is told to some girls as soon as they reach puberty, where it is said then, “If you have sex with a boy, you will get pregnant.”

But some of the girls find out that if they have sex they get pleasure and there is no pregnancy, at least not on the first try.

Or it is like the tourist who was in London. When she got near Buckingham Palace, the tour guide pointed to the large stone structure and said, “Whosoever lives here is the Queen of England.”

The touring lady then developed a desire to move into Buckingham Palace. She applied for a work permit and then applied for a job as a cleaner. It was the perfect thing because she thought that if she could occupy the building, the whole of England would honor her as the reigning monarch.

In the description of the job there was a statement to the effect that the cleaner was given a special room in the building. She applied and was employed. On the day when the employment began, she was greeted at the entrance which was a large metal gate. A man who was the Master of Servants led her into the Palace and showed her the small room which was reserved for the cleaner. Seeing that the room was small the lady suspected that something was amiss, so in a sarcastic tone she said to the Master of Servants, “It seems to me that this is quite suitable for the Queen of England. Would you mind informing the butler that I am here? And please, your lordship, instruct the chambermaids to report with my linen.”

But the Master of Servants being an expert diplomat merely bowed to the lady and left in a haste. When he got to his office, he called the security and asked them to escort the lady off the palace grounds.

So what am I saying?

Well not everyone who has a kundalini experience at the crown chakra becomes enlightened in the way Buddha was enlightened or in the way that Paramhamsa Yogananda was enlightened or in the way that Bhaktivedanta Swami was enlightened.

In fact some persons lose objective consciousness when their kundalini rises and hits the crown chakra. Instead of becoming enlightened these persons go off into nothingness and come back to this world with no memory of the experience and no objective understanding of what happened.

In Yoga, there is something which is called jada samadhi. Jada is Sanskrit for stupid or dumb. So there is an experience in which a person goes off into higher awareness but has not got the objectivity to even understand what it is and have no coherent memory of the experience.

The beings in this kind of world are evolving upward and that means that if you were to move something like a rattle snake into the human species, that entity would be very vicious and would be in a prison shortly. Stated differently you cannot successfully elevate a person way beyond their normal instinctive evolutionary behavior. You are not going to take an alligator, put the spirit using that body into a human body and then expect that all of a sudden you will get a Mother Theresa or a Mahatma Gandhi overnight just because you somehow or the other caused its kundalini to rise into the crown chakra.

And by the way, you should have considered all that when the entity was in the crocodile body and there you should have tried it out by raising its kundalini into its crown, because a crocodile has a kundalini and also has a brain with a top part which is where the reptile’s crown chakra is.

The problem you are going to have if you relocate that spirit into a human body is that the spirit has to carry along with it, the same old kundalini which it used in the reptile body, and that kundalini would carry with it, its vicious and vulgar tendencies and it won’t be able to make head or tail of any crown chakra experience.

So first we find a highly evolved spirit which has a refined non-vicious kundalini and then we teach that individual how to raise kundalini and bingo, we have got an enlightened being overnight, wont we?

Dean 6 years ago

Michael wrote:

Dean's Question:

Although the entity may experience jada samadhi, and return to the physical body with no coherent memory of the experience. Does that mean that the experience was not significant? And is the true memory of the experience recorded elsewhere in the psyche? For example, if I am riding in a hot air ballon over the Himalayan mountains. I would have quite a different experience traveling over the mountains if I am able to stand up in the basket of ballon and peer over the side to see what was going on, than if I was laying down in the basket with a sheet over my head fearing for my life. My point of perception is different but does that change or alter the true memory? Are there different memory chambers? After all, I am traveling of the Himalayas in a hot air ballon in both experiences.

MiBeloved 6 years ago

Dean's Question:

Although the entity may experience jada samadhi, and return to the physical body with no coherent memory of the experience. Does that mean that the experience was not significant?

MiBeloved’s Response:

It does imply that the experience has no meaning for that particular person. This is just like when there is gold right under the feet of some aborigines. It is gold but they have no use for it because their society does not value it and has no place for it as a commodity of worth.

In a way all that is cosmic, all that is spiritual was always available but most of the human beings who lived before us but they were unable to make head or tail of it.

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Dean's Question:

And is the true memory of the experience recorded elsewhere in the psyche? For example, if I am riding in a hot air balloon over the Himalayan mountains. I would have quite a different experience traveling over the mountains if I am able to stand up in the basket of balloon and peer over the side to see what was going on, than if I was laying down in the basket with a sheet over my head fearing for my life. My point of perception is different but does that change or alter the true memory? Are there different memory chambers? After all, I am traveling of the Himalayas in a hot air balloon in both experiences

MiBeloved’s Response:

What do you mean by true memory? Those terms imply that in the psyche there is a flawless observational component or entity which is pure and spotless.

Really?

Where is it? What is it? How do we access it? Can it look at the sun and tell us accurately what that planet is made of and how much nuclear energy that planet produces at every moment?

Even if you were to locate such a flawless observational component or entity and the memory record which it made of your Himalayan pass-over, still you are again in a fix to interpret that information properly. Unless you are saying that there is also a flawless non-prejudiced part of the psyche. I don’t mean a pretence that there is such a part.

Srila Yogeshwarananda once told a story of being in Northern India with some yogis. One yogi was a guy who always insisted that everything was the same and there was no diversity and that any such duality was an illusion. So they were invited into a home and since they were considered to be holy men, yogis of repute, meals were prepared for them.

When they sat down to eat, the other yogi who was the advaita type (non-dualist/oneness advocate) was served a totally different meal. Yogeshwarananda noticed that but he did not say anything. He ate his meal but the other yogi was in distress to eat his.

Later Yogesh spoke strictly to the lady of the residence to complain about the meal given to the other yogi. The woman replied something like this, “He always said that everything is one and there is oneness and nothing else, that there was no duality and that it did not matter what you ate since it was all the same. So we prepared a meal for him using a pound of salt to season it because we felt that for him there would be no difference since he always advocated that it is all the same.”

So are you sure that there is such a flawless non-biased component in the psyche or is it just a concept of oneness and of impartiality.

But to answer your question directly I can only cite my own experience:

I have not found such a flawless memory chamber. The highest chamber is the one which is the causal body and that is terrible prejudiced and is loaded with energy which will produce further subtle and physical bodies with various types of biases.

To make matters worse, no one can now go and change the causal plane nor the individual entities or causal bodies produced from that plane.

Can you imagine what it would be if you or me set out to change the earth’s resources now. How could we do it? Let us say that we become great environmentalists, we figure that crude oil is a main problem in the pollution of the world. We try to change the human beings who consume the crude but we are unable to. So then I get a hair-brain idea that it would be easier to just replace all crude oil on the planet with some dreamed-up type of crude which does not pollute when burnt.

Then okay, how will I do it?

So changing the already existing causal plane from which this flawed world was produce would be a huge task even for a god what to speak of us, limited beings.

Marcia Beloved 6 years ago

Thanks for asking that question, Dean. I also wondered if the jada samadhi had any significance.

I have had kundalini rise to the crown chakra numerous times, then burst, but when I return to normal consciousness I don't know what happened within the experience.

Also, a question to Michael: How does one transition from jada samadhi experiences to having objectivity during samadhi?

MiBeloved 6 years ago

Marcia Beloved inquired:

How does one transition from jada samadhi experiences to having objectivity during samadhi?

MiBeloved’s Response:

This is what you do:

Pay attention to what is going on in the psyche as you are doing the breath infusion. Look down into the body to see what is happening. If possible keep eyes closed during the exercises so that the mind is forced to look inside and is not distracted by external objects.

Apply the various locks like the anus lock, sex lock, neck lock, third eye lock and other locks which you will discover as you practice. These locks cause suppression of the risen kundalini and cause it to be channeled in a disciplined way so that you can observe it and accommodate it.

Increase your sense of responsibility is social dealings since this will cause a certain amount of kundalini power to be invested in social life and it will not remain as an excess energy which challenges you negatively when kundalini is risen into the head.

Moving up a notch or two in your evolutionary status is the way to accomplish the removal of jada samadhi but that is not done through conceptualizing, it is done by real life experience in which your behavior reflects your increased sense of responsibility.

Lastly direct kundalini into other parts of the body when it first arises in the spine, so that it cleans the nadis in the other parts of the psyche. Then when it has accomplished that, direct it to enter the head. This last instruction is the direct method of achieving a no-jada samadhi experience.

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