Kirtanananda Astral Existence
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 5 years before Jan 21, 2019
MiBeloved 5 years ago
Early this morning, I had an astral encounter with Kirtanananda Swami, the person who supervised and built the New Vrndavana, Hare Krishna community. The place became known as the place of the founder of the Hare Krishna Movement, who was Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami but the day to day ground work and planning was done by Kirtanananda Swami whose risky activities caused the society to disaffiliate itself from him and to even ban him from their temples, including from the New Vrindavana place which he worked so hard, and even worked criminally, to produce.
In the competitive days just after the demise of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami, Kirtanananda and other leading officials of the Society, felt so compelled to build up the society, especially to build large temple buildings. Some could care less where the money came from and what criminal acts were performed in acquiring the funds. Subsequently some got into legal hassles. They also hurt many people in their treatments of devotees who were reluctant to cooperate with the aggressive buildup of their respective projects.
Kirtanananda and many others are now deceased or are on the verse of doing that because of the onward march of time, which faces every living creature in this world without exception, devotee, or non-devotee, Hare Krishna fanatic or someone who dislikes those people.
Now in the astral world, this morning I found myself pulled into an adjacent parallel world where Kirtanananda runs a community just like he ran the New Vrindavana place, except that the influence of Bhaktivedanta Swami is conspicuous by its absence. At that place no one says Prabhupada’s name. There is no chanting of Hare Krishna at the beginning and ending of every conversation. There is not a whiff about going back to Godhead because of chanting and performing services in the society.
Kirtanananda for his part is busy as he used to be at New Vrindavana but his astral body is shorter than the physical one he used, about 8 inches or so shorter. He has an astral bruise on his neck and between his shoulder blades. He wore a washed out saffron sannyasi dhoti. He does not carry a walking stick. His clothing was dingy looking unlike the freshly pressed clothes he used to wear. His facial mood is not that of the bright promising pure devotee of Krishna, he was reputed to be in the past life on earth, before the US authorities closed in and arrested him on several criminal charges, including murder of more than one person.
He is busy in that astral world constructing buildings, which was his favorite activity when he was in the last days of his stay at New Vrindavana. If you want people to understand that you are a great sannyasi and a great devotee of Krishna at that, then you have to put up magnificent temples and you must install beautifully carved figures of Krishna, Radha and Krishna to be specific. And that is how you declare your devotional profile for the entire world to see. Seeing is believing. Isn’t it?
Well yes and no! There will always be skeptics who are waiting in the bleachers to see you fall flat on your face. Then, they will then say with satisfaction,
I told you so. I knew he was no good. I knew they were all fakes.”
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When I first realized myself as my subtle body in that astral place, I was in a dorm room being assigned a lower bed in a bunk bed area. My shoes were under the bed. I had to get prepared to meet Kirrtanananda in another building where he was with some carpenters and masons.
I knew this automatically because in that astral place, telepathy is so productive as to make cell phones unthinkable. Telepathy is instant there and very clear where it sounds in your head clearer than a cell phone would on this level.
I got myself squared away, neated up my bed and items and then grabbed a tool belt, slapped it on my waist and went to the outside of a concrete building which was under construction.
Kirtanananda soon came out of the building with about 6 men whom he was instructing. One person was to do some electrical work and I was to coordinate with him and do some of the work with him. I knew this by telepathic means due to the thinking energy which radiated from the head of Kirtanananda.
He did not greet me formally. He simply kept walking like he always did at New Vrindavana. Some of the persons left to do what he wanted them to do. He was then walking with just one man. I was behind them as he desired. Up to this point he said nothing to me externally. Everything was radiating out of his head. Then I noticed that his back was curved in and his pot belly which he used to have on earth was missing.
Then as he walked outside another unfinished concrete building, a car drove by and came to a standstill. Kirtanananda saw the car and was concerned about the driver so he doubled back behind the car.
I kept my distance and looked. The driver of the car popped out and quickly went near another unfinished concrete building. Then suddenly the driver had an automatically sawn-off shot gun in his hand pointing at someone, threatening.
Kirtanananda began to observe this but he was helpless to do anything, in his mind was the incidence of drug dealings, a thing which used to plague his New Vrindavana community off and on and which in part caused the whole thing to fall apart around him.
I began to fade away astrally, as one can do in such astral dimensions. But I looked to see what was happening as I faded. The person with the weapon had two people held at gun point threatening them. Kirtanananda in the distance was concerned. In his mind there was the idea of getting the gun man off the premises. He was worried as to if anyone would get wounded and he wanted to know what the deal was with these individuals because as it is with Kirtanananda, it is years ago at New Vrindavana, not a blade of grass dares to move without first consulting with him.
It was then that my astral body faded completely from that place. I woke up on this side and made some notations which I used to compose this report.
Conclusions?
What do you think?
Your ideas are as good as mine!
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In this astral place, all the bodies are experienced as if they were physical forms even though they are not. It happens there that one has to walk on a road and use conveyances. These astral bodies do not teleport and transit through solid substances there. This happens because everything there is of the same astral frequency. Here on earth physicists explain to us to no avail, that our bodies are mostly space. These forms are not solid in anyway. And still the reality of the solidity of the forms stands its ground to such an extent that the same scientists are compelled to create jet aircraft to transit ours and their own bodies through space. They must dig tunnels and transit through those physical objects in that rudimentary way.
So even in this world, the physical bodies we use are in a sense astral but we cannot realize that because of the frequency coordination between our forms and everything else which is here.
Is this physical world, astral?
That is my final question!
Paul 5 years ago
"This seems to fit in with the old idea "A psyche in Motion tends to remain in motion".
What the man cultivated here, continues in the Next Place.
This seems to suggest that the astral world is a material (subtle mental emotional) energy.
Alfredo 5 years ago
Also could suggest that indeed this physical world is "astral". In other words, that everything is consciousness, or mental.
This is the philosophy of mentalism, as expounded by Bishop Berkeley (1685-1753). It was handily taken up by Paul Brunton and revived in his "The Hidden Teaching Beyond Yoga" (1941).
chris_hall1951 5 years ago
In a sense the physical dimension is the least substantial and also the least mental. In this context the more mental the closer one is to the real dimension of the astral plane.
In a sense since everything is more or less mental, the physical is like a very low vibrational astral dimension.
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Jai Alfredo Prabhuji,
Do you know if any of these individuals that you had mentioned in your post were engaged in any genuine or non-genuine kriya yoga practices?
If so, do you know if they have written any books on the subject?
Anyway, how does this concept of mentalism tie in with the concept of the Core-Self and its psychological adjuncts?
Do you know if there is any parallelism with the teachings of the Yoga-Sutras?
Namaste to You Alfredo Prabhuji!
Alfredo 5 years ago
Om Yogi Kripamayaya Namah!
Bishop Berkeley was a unique Christian philosopher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Berkeley whose primary achievement was the advancement of a theory he called "immaterialism", also called mentalism. This theory denies the existence of material substance and instead contends that familiar objects like tables and chairs are only ideas in the minds of perceivers, and as a result cannot exist without being perceived. Berkeley here approaches the distinction made in the Vedanta between Jiva-srishti and Ishvara-srishti when he says that our imaginations are less real, being only images of things represented or copied, while the ideas of sensations received from the eternal Spirit are real things.
When Bishop Berkeley said that trees, mountains, buildings, are all ideas, British philosopher Samuel Johnson kicked a brick and said: "I hereby refute Berkeley", but Johnson was mistaken because Berkeley was including Johnson as well.
Likewise, the Yoga Vasistha goes into great detail in explaining this point that the whole universe is mind. Not my mind or your mind, but mind as such. Moreover, the Panchadasi, Upanishads, and similar systems of Vedantic thinking, state that in Hiranyagarbha the world does not exist as we see it, but it is only an idea in the cosmical manifestation in Ishwara.
Paul Brunton expanded upon this concept of mentalism in the book I mentioned above named "The Hidden Secret Beyond Yoga" (published in 1941). In this book he goes out of his way to even use a series of diagrams to prove how unreliable is our vision and perception in relation to material existence, thus to prove that everything is really mental, mind, psychic. He poses some interesting questions that we often rarely think about, for example: if the earth is traveling at this great speed all the time...why we never feel it on the surface?, the size of an object seen at a distance is always misleading, and so on. I have a rare copy of this book with me. Paul Brunton was, indeed, a yogi.
As per parallelism with the Yoga Sutras, the Sutras are a text of Yoga and not of philosophy, and as such does not pronounce itself one way or the other, but points to ways of experiencing the truth.
unlimitedsun 5 years ago
It looks to me like lives just goes on...
